In Response

So @Atheist_eh has presented me with several points for me to address with several tweets. My point is that someone can only become religious if someone is “BRAINWASHED”. I have decided to respond to a few other people also.

“Brainwashed” meaning that they became brainwashed against their will and believe their religion to be true because of outside forces and manipulation.

I maintain that there is no reason to believe a religion rationally, because no religion makes any sense, are obviously lies and the evidence exposing them as lies are overwhelming and available for all the world to see.

I maintain that only a brainwashed mind could be influenced to be mentally conditioned to disregard evidence and also not listen to reasons that show their religion not to be true.

I maintain that there is more than just “cognitive dissonance” that causes people to be unable to accept the painful truth, and that religious brainwashing is what causes cognitive dissonance.

Atheist_Eh agrees with me that some religious believers are brainwashed (child indoctrinated, or exploited due to an emotional vulnerability being exploited).

He has sent me several tweets with several of his points for me to address.

So I have done so.

Tweet One:

“It’s been explained to you many times. Many theists find religion through their own devices without any external pressures.”

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Okay, first I want to say that this statement is meaningless and vague and the equivalent of “the bible proves the bible” and “how could you not believe in Jesus when he died for your sins”.

But let’s break it down:

1) He might be confusing someone deciding there is a “God” because they think that the universe is intelligently designed, or that there is some sort of evidence of intelligent design.

a) This is an opinion about the existence of a “god” which is just “deism”, not a “religion”.

b) The opinion is still based on just the existence of a “god” and not a religion.

c) This really is NOT brainwashing and is the equivalent to believing in UFOs or Big Foot (Maybe they think they have evidence of one of the 3).

d) All religions are not real and there is no evidence any religion is real.

e) Maybe someone believes in evidence of aliens, God, or Big Foot.

-(1) There still is no evidence of any religion being real.

-(2) If there were evidence of some religion being real then there would be no Atheists.

f) Studies have shown how strongly outside influences are at making someone religious with religious views:

http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/religion-and-family-connection-social-science-perspectives/chapter-13-familial-influence

g) As to what Atheist_Eh says about “it’s been explained to me many times…”

-(1) I have attempted to explain many times how and why all the “independent methods” people are made “religious” are irrelevant because they are simply “deism” and have nothing to do with grasping a “religion” that makes no sense and has no evidence it is true.

-(2) Atheist_Eh and others however keep saying the same things over and over though and think that simply dismissing what I say automatically makes what I say untrue simply because they refused to accept or listen and that automatically makes them right and me wrong.

-(3) If I repeatedly say that 2+2=4 and I am alone against arguing with a hundred people who refuse to listen to me and dismiss everything I say, but all continually say that 2+2=5, it does not mean that I am wrong, it simply means that they are not listening and are fuelling each others being wrong.

h) Nobody ever lists these “own devices” that are not “external pressures” however but they continually say they exist.

-(1) Deciding there is a “God” or “intelligent designer” simply implies that they have taken a deistic opinion, even if religious influences said something to convince them, a belief in a generic “God” is still not a religion.

-(2) Fearing death and finding a religion simply means that they were brainwashed to believe a religion was true which has no evidence and makes no sense, but only believe it because they were emotionally vulnerable, which is what I have always said all along.

-(3) If they fear death and grasp on to the the religion that has been made most convenient and forced down their throats because they are emotionally vulnerable, whatever religion they grasp onto is the religion they have been brainwashed to.

-(4) If they were however simply fearing death and convinced themselves that they would most likely still consciously exist after death in the universe, but just left it at that and did NOT go along with any religion, that would NOT be brainwashing, that would be an OPINION.

j) So we’re still at the point of how exactly someone finds religion “by their own devices”?

-(1) So they went to a religion on their own and did research because they were curious?

-(2) What percentage of people are being claimed to actually do this if the majority of religious people were child indoctrinated?

-(3) If there are people who suddenly go out and do research and convince themselves that a religion is real, the fact that they were convinced of complete nonsense by themselves without any outside influence as being true is highly unlikely since evidence of any religion being real, or true does not exist.

-(4) Religions are EVERYWHERE and are forced down everyone’s throat at every turn.

-(5) The fact that if the individual even had a religion to come across on their own in the first place is brainwashing since that particular religion could have been ANY RELIGION but they just happened to be exposed to THAT particular religion.

-(6) The fact that there is overwhelming evidence that shows all known religions to be untrue, but are still believed by people in the first place shows someone’s mind has been mentally conditioned and influenced to believe it.

-(7) It is completely absurd to even suggest that someone came upon religion on their own when religion is everywhere and pumped into everyone’s minds repeatedly over and over.

-(8) To say that someone came upon religion on their own and believed it, is the equivalent of saying “someone came to the conclusion that lepracauns are real, but never heard of lepracauns, or had any evidence lepracauns were real.

-(9) So looking up statistics I couldn’t see what the percentage of people who are religious because of being child indoctrinated is, but how big does Atheist_Eh think the percentage of people who are religious but weren’t child indoctrinated actually is?

-(10) If child indoctrination wasn’t allowed and children were not able to be exposed to, or introduced to any religions til they were 18, then religion would of course fade away very quickly.

-(11) This figure that Atheist_eh believes exists with a percentage of people who somehow found religion on their own and weren’t child indoctrinated and weren’t brainwashed by being expoited in an emotional vulnerability must be extremely small to the point that you have to wonder why he considers it relevant to even defend.

-(12) If someone should seekout and choose a particular religion because of the loss of a loved one that they mentally can’t deal with losing, then that is again what is called “being exploited by a religion because the person was caught in a state of emotional vulnerability.” This is being brainwashed.

So NO Atheist_Eh, people have not explained to me how someone could be religious without being brainwashed when older, but they have chosen to dismiss everything I say, including the reasons I said for dismissing what they said, but they refused to listen or accept what I said.

Tweet Two:

“Brainwashing is a systematic and concerted effort to alter a person’s thought process. This simply doesn’t happen to all theists”
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Ok so I’m still waiting on the ways implied to me that they can become religious without being brainwashed or child indoctrinated.

a) Definition of “systematic”:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/systematic

The definition of systematic is something done according to a specific system, plan or method.

-(1) Yep all religion is going according to plan.

-(2) Child indoctrinate children before they can think for themselves.

-(3) Prey upon the emotionally vulnerable and exploit all weaknesses that make them vulnerable.

-(4) Put fear into people about things that don’t exist.

-(5) Tell them that doubting their faith is the equivalent of “thought crime” and hammer it into them that all you need is faith.

-(6) Put religion everywhere and in every form of media and drill into everyone’s heads your religion over and over until eventually they are vulnerable.

(Lee Strobel and Jim Wallace are perfect examples of this)

-(7) Pump out the “better safe than sorry vibe” as much as you can.

-(8) Do and say everything you can to cause people to have emotional vulnerabilities and feel worthless.

-(9) Entice vulnerable people with “community” and feel like they only get love and belonging from that religion and all those in that religion.

-(10) Lie about evidence and say misleading over generalizations as much as possible.

-(11) Convince everyone that people can’t be happy without their religion.

-(12) Be as condescending as possible and imply that anything other than your religion is stupid.

-(13) Encourage people within your religion to make people outside of it feel like outcasts

-(14) Take complete control of the media and use every form of media to lie and mislead with.

-(15) Create entire communities of religious people and surround them with nothing but lies with no way of hearing the truth.

…..Seems pretty systematic to me.

b) Definition of “concerted”

http://www.yourdictionary.com/concerted

The definition of “concerted” is a joint effort or something coordinated with multiple parties, or something that requires a lot of effort or hard working.

… Is Atheist_Eh seriously kidding, or does he really have no idea what he is saying?

-(1) There are over 30,000 different sects of christianity alone and all of them have a huge purpose and role of seducing, misleading and brainwashing people with whatever means possible.

Matthew 28:19

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

-(2) Door to door conversions.

-(3) Television.

-(4) Apologetics.

-(5) Internet religious people attacking non-believers on every level of severity.

-(6) Writing books on apologetics and how to mislead people.

-(7) I don’t think that Atheist_Eh has ever heard about the millions of people called “priests” who spend 100% of their time spreading their religious social parasite and trying to convert people to their specific sect.

-(8) Each of these millions of priests has hundreds of followers and some have thousands and millions of followers.

-(9) There are over 1.5 BILLION christians on Earth all working to convert and promote their poison and there are these things called “megachurches”.

-(10) Couples who are engaged to their other half will force their other halves to practice and convert and their familes of their fiances will bully them into converting.

-(11) Movies (God’s not dead, The 10 commandments)

– Every horror movie that has a reference to hell to promote fear.

-(12) Cults

-(13) An infinite number of other examples if Atheist_Eh actually thought about it and put in the effort himself.

-(14) The fact that religion has the ability to completely surround people and control peoples environment and make them feel isolated from the world unless they give you their form of freedom and their imaginary cure from an imaginary disease.

c) I’ve still yet to hear how someone can independently be converted all on their own to a religion.

-(1) A simple decision that God probably exists is NOT being brainwashed to a religion, but is simply “deism”.

-(2) This is evidence that people aren’t listening to me and I really am talking to a bunch of brick walks like the number of times I’ve told the same people that “being just a deist with just a simple OPINION a god exists IS NOT BRAINWASHING!” Yet they keep bringing it up.

d) If there is no evidence any religion is real, or has any truth and there is strong evidence that they are not true and have evidence against them…..

-(1) People who are programmed to not listen to truth and evidence and mentally conditioned to believe complete nonsense without evidence regarding the BELIEFS and background story of a religion ARE BRAINWASHED!

-(2) Cults who act insane and have insane members with insane beliefs and entice and get new members are obviously brainwashed.

-(3) Religions are simply big cults.

-(4) To those who say that cults control their victims environment by isolating them, religions simply control their victims environment on a larger scale because religions have MADE THEMSELVES the environment.

-(5) Christianity stopped being a cult the day Constantine made christianity the official religion of Rome and the church then made death penalties and torture the environment to any who refused to embrace christianity,

-(6) Islam stopped being a cult the day when it’s violence and intimidation made it grow so that all there was was an environment where all there was was islam every where you looked in some countries.

Tweet Three

“To assert that every theist became a theist through brainwashing is simply unsustainable when you consider what brainwashing really is.”
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My mind was truly blown.

a) Well we know that Atheist_Eh does believe in brainwashing and that some people are brainwashed, or child indoctrinated.

-(1) We know he believes in child indoctrination.

-(2) We know he believes that cults brainwash people.

-(3) We know he believes that some religious people are brainwashed.

-(4) What we still don’t know is what “rational” reasons someone could believe something that has no truth, makes no sense and it’s obvious it has no truth and makes no sense, without having their mind conditioned and molded without their knowledge in order to do so.

-(5) The evidence of brainwashing is when we find completely brilliant people who are undeniably brilliant and they believe these religions, but refuse to look at the evidence, or the obvious reasons why the religions are nonsense, as if a “reality perception” in the brain has simply been bipassed, or disconnected.

b) The definition of “brainwashing”

http://www.yourdictionary.com/brainwashing#americanheritage

Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person’s basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.

The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.

….Alrighty then let’s break this all down then:

a) “Intensive indoctrination”

-(1) Being heavily exposed and force fed religion in every form of media 24 hours a day is pretty intense.

-(2) Having your family shove it down your throat since birth and maybe disown, or disassociate you is pretty intense.

-(3) Being in a country where non-belief is a death penalty is pretty intense.

-(4) Being hated through society because someone doesn’t believe an invisible deity exists is pretty intense.

-(5) Being in an environment that is anti-science and angrily encourages dismissing evidence is pretty intense.

-(6) Being mentally conditioned by being rewarded, praised and encouraged to embrace faith and ignoring facts is pretty intense.

-(7) Being socially molded to think that it is common sense to not use common sense, is pretty intense.

b) “Forcible indoctrination”

-(1) Not having a choice in what reality actually is growing up is pretty forceful.

-(2) Being told, then convinced you will burn in an eternity of fire is pretty forceful.

-(3) Being homeschooled and sheltered from science, evolution and actual facts is pretty forceful.

-(4) Death penalties and jail time for not believing in that countries religion are pretty forceful.

-(5) Being convinced that nonsense is not nonsense and that you are an idiot if you don’t believe is pretty forceful.

-(6) Being repeatedly filled with fear regarding eternal torture and assured that you can’t take the chance is pretty forceful.

-(7) Being over and over again drilled about how you are worthless and your life has no meaning unless you enslave yourself into worshipping and believing a ridiculous lie that makes no sense, is pretty forceful.

-(8) Being assured that the ridiculous lies you are being told are actually true, by millions of people is pretty forceful.

c) “Usually political, or religious”

-(1) Some countries are ruled under religious law (like Sharia) so yes very political, very religious.

-(2) Non-religious and secular based people are mistrusted and not allowed places in government and people are brainwashed by using religion as a tool to “demonize” secular people and secular thinking and use religion as a political tool to spread bigotry and hate.

-(3) Like the old saying goes:

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful” -Seneca

-(4) Religion is very political and used and pushed on people as a form of control.

-(5) The definition clearly says “religious” meaning that whoever wrote it interprets religion as brainwashing also.

-(6) If religion itself is defined as a form of brainwashing, then it makes sense that if someone has been labelled as “religious” that they should also be labelled as “brainwashed”.

-(7) I label religious people who are brainwashed to religion as a “condition” not an insult.

-(8) If I say someone has cancer I label them as “sick”

-(9) People can’t help that they are sick with cancer and can’t help that they are brainwashed without realizing it (though that would be nice).

d) “Aimed at destroying a person’s basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternate set of fixed beliefs”.

-(1) Religion changes peoples views when they become religious.

-(2) Religion tells people to believe things that aren’t real.

-(3) Religion is a rule book of how to think and it discourages independent thought.

-(4) A person’s inability of independent thought is programmed into people because that is the only way that religion still can live and survive.

As Dr.House says:

“If you could reason with religious people, then there would be no religious people”

-(5) Enforcing and exploiting someones vulnerability that they can have eternal life if they give money, do rituals and dedicate themselves to a lie that has no evidence, is a pretty strong set of fixed beliefs.

-(6) For someone to believe nonsense without evidence and has strong evidence disproving it, that is something that someone has to be mentally conditioned to do.

-(7) Society is what conditions people to have to embrace a lie and use that lie as a mental crutch rather than independently recover through other means.

-(8) Religion robs people of finding inner strength or mentally dealing with the real world, by attaching themselves to a delusion.

-(9) Fixed beliefs for example would be for someone to hate gays and Atheists because their religion influenced them to do so, rather than simply treating gays as people who were simply born differently and nothing else.

Tweet Four:

“It’s not merely some measure of outside influence as I’ve seen you assert. Otherwise you’d have to accept that if you got me….”

“….To agree with you on this whole point, it was due to you brainwashing me into believing you. It just doesn’t work that way”
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Unbelievable.

a) I never said it was just outside influences that brainwash people.

-(1) It isn’t just outside influences, nor did I ever assert that but it is most likely that I simply was involved in multiple convos with the usual suspects of non listeners and it was perceived that way, but I can only say so much so many times.

-(2) The inside factors HOWEVER that play into the victims brainwashing to become religious are things like emotional vulnerabilities and fears that have been put into place through repetition from outside sources.

-(3) For someone to be brainwashed to a religion though, the person has to have something inside to exploit and needs some sort of emotional vulnerability, which could be anyone of many factors and weaknesses.

-(4) A vulnerability could be anything from fear of death, to not being able to deal with the loss of a loved one, to an overly gullible trustworthiness to certain individuals that they have been convinced could never be wrong and are never wrong.

-(5) Vulnerabilities to religion are either already there, or have been placed there against the person’s knowledge.

A great example is this short video of people who have come as “seekers” to this guru, who isn’t even a real guru (he’s a film maker and actor) and keeps telling people “that he shouldn’t be worshipped and that he is nobody.”

http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.html

-(6) Some people don’t ever have these vulnerabilities inside them to be brainwashed to a religion.

-(7) Some people have them inserted.

-(8) Some people are naturally born with the vulnerabilities.

-(9) Some people merely never have anyone exploit those vulnerabilities.

-(10) Some people are indoctrinated from birth and are able to shed the religious vulnerabilities that have been put into place (like myself).

-(11) Some people turn to religion because of those vulnerabilities, but then lose the vulnerabilities and might stay religious, or lose the religion.

-(12) Fears can be inserted into someone and doubts aswell, but for anyone to say that they can’t be is really being dishonest.

b) As for the point that Atheist_Eh is trying to make here regarding me brainwashing him by what I’m saying if I convince him I’m right….

-(1) I’m simply making points and telling him things that I feel are undeniable and obvious and showing him things that I feel actually PROVE my point.

-(2) I’m not inserting fears into him, or attempting to make him believe things without evidence. (These are things he can observe in people himself)

-(3) I’m listing things and showing examples while at the same time doing my best to explain differences to what he thinks I’m saying and what I actually am saying.

-(4) I’m dissecting everything down in order to help him think, not to impair his thinking.

-(5) I’m encouraging thought and showing examples, not discouraging thought and saying “all you need is faith”.

-(6) What I’m doing is trying to show him the truth by thinking for himself, but what brainwashing is would be if I were inserting things in his head that goes against his own thinking.

-(7) Some of things I said I even told him I agreed with him and corrected him on misinterpretations he had and incorrect assumptions.

-(8) Exchanging of points and breaking down information, while at the same time correcting inaccurate misinterpretations, is a lot different than as if I was trying to exploit some sort of fears, or internal vulnerabilities to enslave him to a religion.

c) I absolutely agree with Atheist_Eh because he’s right in this tweet.

-(1) It doesn’t work that way.

-(2) That wasn’t what I was saying though.

-(3) He made a wasted point, but I hope at least I’m somehow making progress.

Tweet Five

“Yes, some people are brainwashed into religion and it can happen at any stage in life, but it’s not 100% of cases”
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Well to this I say…..

a) So if he agrees that some people are brainwashed into religion, what percentage exactly is he talking about here?

-(1) Does he think that 90% of people who are religious are brainwashed? What is it I wonder?

-(2) Still waiting on how someone can become religious without being brainwashed.

-(3) Reminding everyone that becoming a deist for whatever reason is NOT brainwashing, but that becoming religious IS brainwashing.

-(4) Deism is an opinion, but religion is a life changing, delusional, mind alteration without someone knowing and against someone’s control.

b) Let’s maybe make a comparison here of this tweet to what he actually thinks, if say that most people are brainwashed to religion, but some aren’t.

-(1) Most people get killed by sharks if swimming in shark infested water in the middle of the sea if your boat sinks, but some live.

-(2) Most people die from ebola if they get infected, but some people live.

-(3) Hypothetically, if say that there really were 10% of people who were religious for rational reasons and not brainwashing, would that really need to be so strongly defended?

c) At any stage in life someone can lose their religion too and not realize, or remember the reasons they were religious in the first place.

-(1) It’s just as hard to accept that you were brainwashed in the past as it is to accept that you are brainwashed presently.

-(2) Being child indoctrinated to religion means that they were brainwashed and someone who becomes non-religious when older simply means that they are no longer brainwashed. (It happens)

-(3) Just because people do not want to accept negative things about themselves, or about their past doesn’t make them untrue.

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Now since I’ve addressed Atheist_Eh I will now address a couple other tweets and points while I’m at it.

@AtyHans says in his tweet:

“Maybe you should read on Skinner’s pigeon experiment which revealed signs of superstition”
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I will address it even though it’s irrelevent but I will say that I really respect Hans a lot and admire all the work he puts in and commitment. But he has brought up the pigeon thing more than once, so I feel I should address it.

a) I know all about Skinners pigeons and talked about them in school a couple semesters ago.

b) The pigeons were simply wondering what caused them to get food and knew what would.

c) They wanted food and were willing to experiment with doing different things to cause a response to get that food.

d) A pigeon’s thinking is very limited and it doesnt know how it gets food, just that it does and by the pigeon experimenting in doing rituals and trying different actions and behaviors, that is the pigeons mind and body acting on survival instinct on doing whatever it can to keep it alive.

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Now a response to @BrianConelly13 from a few months ago when he mentioned three people who became religious through rational means and weren’t brainwashed.

Brian lists Immanuel Kant, Thomas Aquinas and Alvin Plantiga.
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My mind is again blown.

a) Immanuel Kant was a phillsopher from a jewish household who became agnostic and stop being religious.

(1) Completely irrelevant.

(2) Has nothing to do with an example of a religious person becoming religious by rational means and not being brainwashed into religion.

(3) Shows the exact opposite where someone used logic and facts to free themselves from being brainwashed since birth.

b) Thomas Aquinas was a philosopher priest from around 900 years ago who was child indoctrinated since birth to christianity and revolved his life around a nonsensical lie being actual history.

-(1) Child indoctrination to nonsensical lies is brainwashing.

-(2) This is nothing but an example of someone who was brainwashed their whole life to religion and continued to be viewed as intelligent to people, who would then fuel other people’s brainwashing because they actually believed he knew what he was talking about.

c) Alvin Plantiga is a christian philosopher who believes in intelligent design and has made philosophical claims against evolution and good and evil.

-(1) So Plantiga has an argument for deism, this is true and Brian is right that this is not brainwashing.

-(2) He is still a child indoctrinated christian who believes christianity and the bible to be mostly true.

-(3) The entire history of the bible is untrue, proven to be untrue, along with having several other complications like forgeries and contradictions and cannot be believed by anyone who has not had their brain messed with through various forms of conditioning.

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And then there is Martin Luther who was brought up to me several times as being evidence of someone rationally becoming religious and not brainwashed.

The story goes that Luther was afraid of getting struck by lightning in a lightning storm one day and swore out loud that if he lived he would become a monk.

a) Luther was child indoctrinated to religion which means he was brainwashed to it since birth.

b) He himself said that he feared judgement after death, which is why he made the decision to make a pact to become a monk.

c) This is nothing but evidence that a brainwashed lunatic who had documented mental disorders like washing his hands hundreds of times a day and thinking that jews should be put to death, was a child indoctrinated slave of a lie who was dumb enough to give up a life as a lawyer.

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Then we have @crispybroccoli who for some reason thinks that if a god were to exist that it would more than likely be the “christian god” and that this is supposed to count as “evidence” for christians.

a) This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life since Crispybroccoli is an Atheist.

-(1) The only thing dumber than him saying this, was the fact that there were some other Atheists agreeing with him.

-(2) Atheists agreeing “that if there were a god it would most likely be the christian god” is truly mind-blowing.

b) Crispybroccoli thinks that because of this little piece of “evidence” that christians aren’t really brainwashed.

-(1) Even though christianity is completely proven to be untrue and simply made up of plagarized stories and fictional stories that contradict each other and go against history.

-(2) Even though they are child indoctrinated to these lies or became religious while older by having an emotional vulnerability exploited.

-(3) My mind is truly blown.

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And finally I’d like to add and explain a few things about myself and some of the things I say and the way I say them.

1) Religion is a disease that is destroying society and the world.

2) Atheists defending religion by saying it isn’t brainwashing is as big of a problem as religion itself.

– It makes people think that it isn’t as much of a problem as it is and that religion is rational and harmless.

3) I see the world being destroyed and innocent people being hurt and the world being set back morally and rationally and I am doing my best to fight the insanity.

4) People treating religious people like what they’re saying is normal and sane is not helping.

– No I’m not saying to be mean, or rude, or even disrespectful.

– Simply saying that treating religion should really be no different than someone who says they have a talking invisible elephant as their best friend.

5) I don’t wish anyone harmed, or killed, just reasoned with, so they can help spread their reason to help wake up other people to reality.

James Bretney Hates Atheism

So I was sent this video by this gentleman named James here on Twitter which contained many of his “arguments” regarding his views on Atheists (he has a very lowly opinion of us it seems).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLeWUyHjwA

Now I can’t really look down on James for what he says since he is merely misinformed and socially conditioned to incorrect views and opinions that are so far from the truth that I really can’t put the guy down for what he says, since he is merely a victim of brainwashing and misinformation.

So let’s breakdown his 11 minute clip down here. Hopefully James will read this analysis of what he said and will be more informed. I also hope James does not think I am trying to disrespect him, just educate him.

I also hope that other people watching this video and then reading this article will become a lot more informed on Atheists, Atheism and the true reality of how we think, why we think that way and let’s face it, how things actually are.
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James starts off saying “that the purpose of this video is to discourage the practice of Atheism”.

He then adds “and to promote christianity, in favor of the Roman catholic church”.
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– Now what James must realize is that the reason that people are Atheists is because of the following reasons:

a) There is no evidence of any gods or “God” existing, so based on Atheists not having any evidence or reason to believe ANY gods, or ANY religion, we simply do not believe because we have no reason to believe.

b) We see evidence that all religions are based on lies, myth and fiction.

c) Because we know all religions are false, because of lack of evidence and we have evidence against them being true.

d) We aren’t “deists” either because we had a choice between just assuming there is a God (which would in no way be the “God” of any religion) which has no evidence it exists, or simply not believing.
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As for James promoting the Roman catholic church:

a) What a strange coincidence that he is promoting a christian religion of the overwhelming religious majority of the United States and therefore most likely the same religion as his parents.

b) If James was brought up in a country where the overwhelming religion is islam, then that is what James would believe.

c) If James actually wanted to discourage Atheism and promote people to christianity then all he has to do is show evidence of the bible being true and evidence of Jesus actually being God.

(Jesus even existing as a person would even be a good start)
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James then lists some things that inspired him to make this video. (15 sec mark)

– United States president Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his “irreligious presidency”.

– The recent death of Christopher Hitchens (this was made in 2012).

– Sam Harris.

– The Amazing Atheist and Pat Condell and their Youtube videos.
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So on this I will say:

a) Obama is a christian I had thought.

b) Even if he is lying about being religious which I can’t prove, or disprove, Obama promoting education. science and learning does not mean he is discouraging religion.

c) James most likely watches too much Fox News which has a license to lie, lies about most of what they say and has an agenda to lie and mislead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKLFn0pty4

d) The religion or non-religion of a president does not make a religion true.

e) George W. Bush said that God told him to invade Iraq (does James seriously believe God talked to him).

f) Hitchens death really shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

g) Sam Harris telling James and other christians things they don’t want to hear does not make those things untrue.

h) The Amazing Atheist and Pat Condell are merely telling James and other religious people things that need to be said, for the exact reason that James is showing, which is bigotry, hatred and misinformation towards Atheists.
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3)

James then asks “why is Atheism a threat to western civilization?” (35 sec mark)
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Atheism isn’t a threat to anything and in fact is beneficial and helpful to society.

a) Prison populations are only .21% non-religious. FACT

b) The most peaceful and economically successful countries in the world are mostly non-religious countries. FACT

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/travel/happiest-countries-to-visit/index.html?c=&page=0

http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-spirituality/1571809-non-religius-countries-do-much-better.html

c) No human sacrifices to gods of Atheism have ever happened. FACT

d) Religious fanatics use guns and violence to promote their religion, but Atheists write books, make videos and promote science, education and critical thinking. FACT

e) There are no terrorist Atheists.
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4)

James says “to ask yourself why is Atheism a threat? is the same as saying why is seppiku a threat to health?” (40 sec mark)
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a) I had no idea what seppiku is, or how to spell it, but it really doesn’t matter, but here is the definition since probably barely anyone knows what it is, which is a bad way to communicate.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku

b) What James of course is completely avoiding is the fact that there is no evidence that any religion is true.

c) The statistics and evidence show non-religious people to be happier, more peaceful and more generous overall.

d) Simply because someone does not believe in a religion that has no evidence, makes no sense and has evidence against it being true, does not make someone an immoral person.

e) Other religions do many immoral things that their religion TELLS them to do, but James for some reason has singled out Atheists. (Not deists, agnostics, or other religions).

f) The only “threat” of Atheism in actuality to James or other christians is the fact that we are honest in the fact that there is no evidence any religion is true, that there is no evidence of God and don’t believe, but mostly because we confront you with the reality that there is no afterlife, for which you have been indoctrinated and addicted to believe.

g) That James doesn’t have a clue as to why Atheists do not believe any religions or gods and has never even put an once of thought as to why we don’t kinda just makes you feel sorry for religious brainwashing victims.

– You feel sorry for them because you see that they have been programmed to never doubt their religion and that means never do any research.

– If they actually did research there is a good chance they would see that their religion is a lie, without an ounce of truth.
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5)

James then says “that Atheism is a nihilistic suicide cult”. (47 sec mark)

a) Atheism is not a cult, but the simple lack of belief in gods or religions.

b) James is an Atheist to the same 3697 gods that Atheists don’t believe in, but we just go 3 more gods than James that we don’t believe in (Yahweh, Jesus, Satan).

c) He might want to examine what a “nihilist” is to make sure that Atheists fit the description.

Let’s see:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/nihilism

the denial of the existence of any basis for knowledge or truth
the general rejection of customary beliefs in morality, religion, etc.
also ethical nihilism
the belief that there is no meaning or purpose in existence
POLITICS
the doctrine that existing social, political, and economic institutions must be completely destroyed in order to make way for new institutions
a movement in Russia (c. 1860-1917) which advocated such revolutionary reform and attempted to carry it out through the use of terrorism and assassination
LOOSELY any violent revolutionary movement involving the use of terrorism

So let’s break this down and see how this is Atheism:

– The denial of the existence of any basis for knowledge or truth (Uh NO).

– The general rejection of customary beliefs on morality (This is definitely NOT Atheism)

– The belief that there is no meaning, or purpose in existence (Nonsense because we make our own purpose and meaning in life).

As I explain here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/when-religion-gives-people-purpose/

– As for all the rest of what it says that’s complete garbage and in no way whatsoever describes ‘Atheism’.

– Atheism is simply not believing in gods or religions without evidence and nothing else.

d) Atheism is not suicidal, or a cult and definitely not a suicide cult.

– Though religions actually do make people become suicidal according to their religions.

> Suicide bombers.

Even brainwashing children to be martyrs and making them want to kill jews.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=illF1vt5g1Q

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eeii225G-HM

> Faith healers refusing medical treatment.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/03/jeffrey_and_marci_beagley_sent.html

> Jehovah’s witnesses refusing to take blood, or give blood even to save a life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491791/Jehovahs-Witness-mother-dies-refusing-blood-transfusion-giving-birth-twins.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279252/Jehovahs-Witness-15-dies-refusing-blood-following-crash.html

> Christian snake handlers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/snake-salvation-star-jamie-coots-dies-snake-bite-after-kentucky-pastor-refuses-treatment-name-god

> People commiting suicides thinking they will see loved ones, or simply because they think they will get another life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476751/Polish-girl-Maria-Kislo-12-hangs-missed-dead-father.html

e) Christianity and all religions started out as cults until the populations of the cults acheived enormous populations through child indoctrination.
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6)

James then adds “Atheism promotes immorality, totalitarianism and death”. (50 sec mark)
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WOW! Well let’s break this down:

a) Atheism does not promote immorality and in fact (with rationality) promotes many things that many religions are against (simply because we know what those religions are based on are lies and a self serving fictious history).

b) Religions promote hatred and bigotry while AGAIN Atheism only disbelieves all religions which includes the hateful bigotted ones.

c) All the biggest scientific discoveries in technology and science were created by Atheists.

d) The biggest contributers and helpful causes to charity are Atheists.

e) Atheists do good things because they want to do good things, not because they fear something, or expect a reward.

f) If James means that equal rights for everyone is a bad thing and is “immoral” well that doesn’t speak highly of religions, but speaks highly of Atheists who can think for themselves and have no religions telling them to hate people, or doing immoral things.

g) “Totalitarianism” means:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/totalitarianism

designating, of, or characteristic of a government or state in which one political party or group maintains complete control under a dictatorship and bans all others
completely authoritarian, autocratic, dictatorial, etc.

– This is not what Atheism means at all.

h) Atheism simply means “not believing in gods”.

i) If James thinks that being a christian or any other religion makes them more righteous, or moral then he is quite mistaken:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5822492

j) If religious people are actually doing things that are logically and rationally immoral because their religion makes them do these things then that actually would mean that religious people are at a moral disadvantage.

k) James needs to get it through his head that todays mostly Atheistic countries are the happiest in the world and greatest places to live and this can’t be denied no matter how much he tries to ignore it:

http://www.nvdaily.com/lifestyle/2013/03/gene-rigelon-most-secular-nations-are-stable-peaceful-wealthy.php
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7)

James then says this mindblowing statement “Atheism can be summed up as ‘there is no God and I hate him”. (55 sec mark)

a) We don’t believe there is a God and that is because there is no evidence to believe that there is a God and James does not provide one.

b) We know no religion to be true and James doesn’t provide that either.

c) How can we hate something that doesn’t exist? That makes no sense.
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8)

James then says “Yes Atheism is a religion”. (1 min 4 sec mark)
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This is of course complete nonsense and untrue.

a) It is the lack of a religion.

b) Atheism is the neutral position since it is believing in no gods or religions.

c) It is the equivalent of saying “not going to the movies is a way of going out to the movies”.

d) Like ‘invisible’ is a colour.
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9)

James then claims to be giving what dictionary.com has for it’s definition of religion. (1 min 8 sec mark)
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So let’s see what it says:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
:
:
Alrighty then. So let’s dissect this definition and compare it to Atheism:

a) Atheism set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature and purpose of the universe. (It’s simply not believing in gods or religions and nothing else).

b) Atheists have no beliefs in the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies.

c) Atheists have no specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects (we just don’t believe in gods, or religions and that’s it).

d) It lists christians and buddhists because they ARE religions.
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10)

James then says “that it takes more faith to not believe in God than to believe in God”. (2 min 15 sec)
:
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Which brings up some very interesting points and things that James needs to realize:

a) Atheists don’t believe in God, because we have no evidence to believe in any gods, or a God.

b) Atheists know that the gods of all religions don’t exist because the religions are based on nonsensical myth and fiction and if a God did exist it would not be the god of any religion.

c) If a “God” wanted us to know it exists then it would tell us.

As Richard Carrier explains:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B4WBTlAPJ-4

d) Nothing about any religion makes any sense, especially christianity.

e) James could maybe try to explain how christianity makes any sense, but he would have to explain the following:

> How the entire old testament has been completely disproven using history and science?

> How there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus even existed?

> How the new testament and Jesus in the gospels refer so often to the old testament, which depicts Yahweh as a complete evil psychopath who isn’t even omnipotent?

> How the original writings of Jesus were from Paul, a man who never even met Jesus and everything about Jesus is the equivalent of Paul talking about his imaginary friend?

> How the idea of Jesus sacrificing himself to save us from himself because of what he was going to do to us himself unless people painfully tortured him, makes absolutely no sense?

> How there is absolutely nothing about the entire “devil” concept that makes any sense?

As shown here:

http://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/the-truth-about-the-devil-exposing-satan-lucifer/

> How the 10 commandments make no sense and that only 3 are even worthy of writing.

> How there is no difference between how mormonism, islam and christianity were created, but James only believes christianity?

> How 1 billion muslims are wrong and 1.5 billion christians are right even though they both have the same amount of faith?

As shown here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/same-old-religious-nonsense/

> How the bible’s greatest heroes and prophets are psycopaths who kill women and children without a second thought?

> How James knows that his religion is right and not someone elses religion, or how the Atheists knowledge and grasp of all religions being false isn’t true? Since none have any evidence.

I list several reasons why religious people are ignorant here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/how-religious-people-are-ignorant/
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11)

James then says that Atheism addresses the ’cause’ the nature and ‘purpose’ of the universe especially when considered the creation of a superhuman agency, or agencies. (2 min 23 sec mark)
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a) Actually that’s not true at all because Atheism simply means we don’t believe in gods, or religions.

b) Atheists don’t claim to know about all things scientific, but claim that we have an understanding of science, or that an understanding that brilliant scientific minds have well thought out scientific theories and actual evidence.

c) We also have this understanding because there is no evidence for gods and there is strong evidence of no religion being true, or making the slightest bit of sense.

d) Atheists will change their scientific views based on new evidence, while religious people will not change their views based on no evidence.
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12)

James continues….

That Atheists believe the cause and purpose of the universe is not due to God, but to no God. A negative God. (2 min 30 sec)
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Actually no (whatever a negative god is supposed to be).

a) Atheists simply don’t see evidence of any religion being true.

b) We don’t see any evidence of the universe needing a god.

c) If people simply think that the universe has a god, or an intelligent designer, but don’t believe in any religions for the same reasons that Atheists, then they are just deists.

– Why does James not seem to have a problem with deists for believing in gods but not believing any religions?

– This makes no sense.

d) Not believing in things because you don’t have evidence simply means that you aren’t gullible.
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13)

James continues…

If you think that contemplating an infinite God is difficult, try contemplating a negative God. (2 min 43 sec)
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a) No idea what a negative god is, but I can just guess James just means ‘no god’.

b) It really isn’t that difficult to explain the universe with no designer or creator.

– Step by step if you think about it, there really is no reason to believe that the universe needed a god in any way.

I explain it here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/14-truths-about-what-is-real/

c) It just seems that James is uneducated really.
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14)

James continues….

Why is religion important? (2 min 49 sec)
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a) At least James is saying that Atheism IS NOT a religion now and also implying that belief in a god is what makes a religion.

– Funny that before he was saying that Atheism IS a religion and listed a bunch of reasons (which were all wrong and untrue, but James still listed them).

b) Religion is only important to people because they have been brainwashed and conditioned to think it is.

c) Religions have no truth, so it only means that they think a complete lie that they have been conditioned to believe, is important.

d) So all James is saying is that believing a lie is important.

– This makes no sense.
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15)

James continues….

The question of religion is so huge that it reverberates throughout all aspects of our life and influences all of our relationships.
:
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Well let’s just dissect that little thought shall we?

a) No matter how religion affects peoples lives there still is no truth to them.

b) No religion has any evidence.

c) All religions have evidence they aren’t true.

d) Atheists like myself are genuinely good, decent people who care about others and work hard to make the world a better place.

e) The millions of Atheists on the Earth who live happy, moral and productive lives without religion completely disprove what James says about religion being important, essential, necessary, or even making a difference in making the world a better place.

f) I completely agree with what James says in the sense that religion affects our lives and every aspect about it, but I realistically see it as negative to the world in general.

g) Though of course I have many close, highly religious friends who live very happy lives, here are some factors that say why that is irrelevant:

– Religion spreads hatred and bigotry and many other negative effects on the world and James is a perfect example of this, especially when you see how absurd, delusional and completely inaccurate what he says really is.

– James needs to see what exactly it is that makes me hate religion and these are actual reasons, not like his reasons that are not even remotely true in any way shape, or form:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/reasons-i-hate-religion/

– And why being an Atheist is better than being religious:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/reasons-to-be-an-atheist-and-not-religious/

h) Just because a drunk person is happier doesn’t mean that their being drunk is a good thing.
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16)

James continues….

Culture describes collectively how we as a people express ourselves and how we relate to each other.
:
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a) Religion might be a part of some countries cultures, but some countries have over 80% Atheist populations and James can’t deny that Atheism is part of culture.

b) Atheism means that people aren’t influenced by delusional supernatural religions and omnipotent deities that aren’t true because they have no evidence and make no sense and that is all.

c) Religion affects cultures negatively.
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17)

James continues….

The word comes from the word cult, which means religion.

a) Well cults are religions, so I will agree on that since all religions are cults, except Atheism like James says, because Atheism isn’t a religion. but the neutral position.

b) If we look up James great source for definitions on dictionary.com, we see what it says about “culture” and it doesn’t say anything about religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture?s=t

“culture Translate Button
[kuhl-cher]
noun
1.
the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2.
that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.”

– So James is completely off base with that source.

b) Now as for christianity being a cult though, well that is obvious.

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/christianity-is-a-cult/
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18)

James continues….

Islam describes a slavemaster relationship when discussing God and humanity.
:
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a) Yes, this is true, but it still has no truth to it, just like christianity has no truth to it.

b) Christians are still slaves of their religion, just like muslims are slaves.

c) Being the slave of a lie is what being religious is all about.

d) Atheists are free and not because we don’t want there to be a God but because there simply is no evidence to any religion being true and no evidence of gods.

As I explain here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/the-comment-that-you-dont-want-there-to-be-a-god/
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19)

James continues….

Christianity invites humanity into the divine family by adoption, but what about Atheists?
:
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a) James confuses ‘adoption’ with child indoctrination to lies that could only be believed because of brainwashing.

b) Atheists simply accept reality for what it is, from things that have evidence, because of things that make sense.

c) A lie is still a lie if everybody believes it and the truth is still the truth if nobody does.
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20)

James continues….

They relate to the divine through materialism, cynicism, nihilism, amnesty and confusion.

No, no, no, no and NO.

a) We have no relation to any fictional, mythical, non-existent beings that have no evidence and make no sense with materialism.

b) We don’t distrust mythical beings that don’t exist and have no evidence because why would we?

– Is James cynical of the lochness monster because he thinks it is evil and simply hiding because it’s sneaky and likes messing with people?

c) James just loves that word nihilism even though it has nothing to do with Atheism.

d) Atheists don’t have amnesty towards God, because we don’t think God exists and have no reason to think so.

– Does James have amnesty towards smurfs, or leprechauns? Same thing.

– Is James in denial about smurfs and leprechauns being real? No and neither are Atheists about God.

e) There is nothing that Atheists are confused about which makes us Atheists, everything is pretty clear but I will repeat things again.

– There is no evidence of any religion being true.

– There is evidence against all religions being true.

– There is no evidence whatsoever of gods, or a god existing.

– No religion makes any sense.

– If a god wanted us to know about it and worship it, then it wouldn’t have given humans 3700 differentngods throughout history with different sects for many of them.

Christianity alone has 30,000-40,000 different sects in the world and many are very very different:

http://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/2012/11/23/how-many-christian-denominations-worldwide/
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21)

James continues….

The human condition is such that it must worship something.
:
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a) No it isn’t and Atheists, agnostics, deists and scientologists are evidence of this.

b) James is saying this with no evidence and simply saying his false, bigotted and non fact based opinion.

c) Animals get along just fine without worshipping anything, so why not humans?

d) James and other religious people have been conditioned to be dependent on believing a lie.

– They’ve also been conditioned to not be able to have the strength to overcome the lie.
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22)

James continues…..

Something is always bigger than a human being whose froth with insecurity, subject to aging, disease and death. Man…must… worship something.
:
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a) No we don’t.

b) The millions of successful and happy Atheists completely disagree with this.

c) Atheists only need the following:

– Reality
– Friends
– Family
– Inner strength
– Good life choices
– To make the most with what they have
– To not be brainwashed, child indoctrinated, or socially conditioned to be mentally addicted and dependent on believing in a lie in order to be happy, or fulfilled.
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23)

James continues….

So what is a follower in no God to do?
:
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a) How about make the world a better place?

b) How about acheive the best they can before they die?

c) How about enjoy as much of life as they can?

d) How about realizing that this one life we have is all there is and we need to not waste it with ridiculous nonsense religions?
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24)

James continues…..

Where is he to draw upon his inner strength?
:
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a) An Atheist gets his inner strength from developing it and not having a religious placebo.

b) An Atheist develops their strength where it’s needed.

c) An atheist makes the most out of what they have and aren’t co-dependent on a lie.
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25)

James continues….

Where is he to find his inner man? In a world that lacks connection, where solipsistic technologies encourage him to build a prison of self?
:
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a) Answer is of course ‘by living in reality’.

b) ‘Solipsistic’ means the following:

http://i.word.com/ithesaurus/solipsistic

– Like seriously, who uses this word when the average person has no idea what it means?

Function: adjective
Meaning: overly concerned with one’s own desires, needs, or interests

c) This description fits perfectly with millions of preachers and other entrepreneurs who make a living off of religious contributions.

– For people to give contributions they need to be afraid and ve convinced somehow that God needs money.
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26)

James continues….
:
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How does the modern man define his happiness in a world that’s increasingly hostile to him? (4 min 14 sec)

a) Easily.

b) Take all the things that make you happy that don’t involve an invisible being that does nothing and affects your life only because you fear it and enjoy kissing it’s ass.

c) This is how I have compared christianity with it’s exact equivalent:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/invisible-bunnies-from-space/

and this truly AWESOME comparison:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KBbwIzIpSLk

d) For example myself. I will list several things that make me happy:

– Sex
– Video games
– Writing things
– Movies
– Sleeping (I have severe insomnia)
– Pets
– Friends
– UFC
– Jogging
– The gym
– Shopping
– Teaching people things
– Volunteer work
– Giving to charities
– Helping a friend, or someone in need
– Swimming
– Vacations
– Learning new things
– Several more, but I haven’t got all day, but it wasn’t that hard
– I guess to be brutally honest what makes me the most happy is just knowing I’m not religious and not the slave of a lie

e) How do I deal with the fact that the world is hostile towards Atheists?

– Well for one I can be happy I live in a country where I don’t have to hide the fact that I’m an Atheist, or I could be imprisoned, or put to death. (Canada)

– I can be happy knowing that I am rational and intelligent enough to not be brainwashed to religion anymore, while countless billions are. (I was once fanatically religious and had planned to be a priest til I became agnostic as a teenager, then Atheist sometime before 9-11)

– Just because billions of other people believe lies that have no evidence does not mean that I have to, especially if I am aware of the evidence against them all.
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27)

James continues….

The answer. He worships false gods to augment, by definition the unknowable “no god” with health, science, the state, art, some false messiah like some charasmatic politician, or musician. Something to fill that void. (4 min 19 sec mark)
:
:
WTF?!

a) Atheists don’t worship false gods, or any gods. (This is what makes us Atheists).

b) We worship nothing.

– Not health, but it is good to be healthy and physically active.(James sure looks like he could exercise some more, instead of going to church, or preaching)

– Not science (Why would we? That’s just stupid)

– Since when do Atheists have messiahs? (We’re Atheists and don’t believe in messiahs)

– We don’t worship politicians. (I know he’s just attacking Obama again for some silly reason)

– I am a big fan of Howard Stern, but he is a real person, but I don’t worship him and know he is not a supernatural being, just a funny one who makes me laugh.

– If Howard goes off the air I will be sad, but I will find something else to make me happy and why wouldn’t I?
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28)

James continues his bigotted verbal assault of hate….

Atheism is nasty because it does not define what our relationship should be to our fellow man. (4 min 43 sec)
:
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a) This makes no sense.

b) This is a total lie.

c) There is no truth to this and nothing that indicate there is in any way shape? or form.

d) Atheism is the lack of belief in gods and religions and doesn’t negatively impact how we interact with other people whatsoever, unless it is because we are against bigotry, blasphemy laws and horrific human rights violations maybe.

– Also because we feel sorry and embarrased for other people who dedicate themselves to both a lie and a scam.

– We are in complete awe and disbelief that people could believe things that have no evidence, yet have evidence against them and they also make absolutely no sense.

– We find religion strange and completely unreasonable, but we do our best to be tolerant.

Unlike the rest of the world:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEov1S940rg

and you gotta love the Fox news scum:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie2-12sSyKI

e) I am an active, angry and outspoken Atheist, but some of my best friends are religious nuts.

– When shots are taken against my Atheism I laugh and shrug it off.

– When I make shots at their religion though for some reason I am being offensive and hateful to them.

– Religion is set at a hypocritical double standard simply because religious people can not mentally deal with reality and the real facts and that’s the cold hard truth.
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29)

James continues….

Where as christianity holds that man is corrupt and in need of salvation and moral instruction. (4 min 53 sec mark)
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a) Christianity also is:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=2

“The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.”

b) Also christianity is something that is supposed to make people feel like they are sick, worthless, broken and in need of fixing.

– It is an imaginary cure to the imaginary disease called “sin”.

c) Christianity is what makes people act like sociopaths because they think they are morally unaccountable as long as they ask their imaginary being for forgiveness.

d) Knowing right from wrong isn’t that hard and just takes common sense.

e) Religious priests know raping kids is wrong, but every year there are hundreds of reports of child abusing priests in multiple different religions of the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/pope-benedict-defrocked-400-priests-in-2-years-document-reveals-1.2500967

f) If God wanted to save people then why would it save people by having other people who are corrupt, take advantage of them?

– This makes no sense.

– Obviously there is no god, or god is a psychopath who doesn’t care.

– All indications point to not existing due to the absolute absense of interaction and impact on the world.

– Also the fact that all religions are false.
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30)

James says….

Atheism does not extol such principles in fact it impeaches all principles because it holds the temporal life as ‘all there is,’ so it lends itself to an indulgence of hedonism and moral relativity. (4 min 57 sec mark)
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This is of course more complete and utter nonsense without a shred of the slightest truth.

a) Just because we see life as what it is (the here and now) does not impact how we shouldn’t make the world a better place, because we do want to make the world a better place.

b) Atheists want the world to progress and improve yet religions such as christianity want nothing more than the destruction of the world thinking it is the foretold ‘apocalypse’.

c) Atheists are among the most productive generous people in society.

d) I personally count myself as an extremely caring and helpful person, who can always be counted on and always someone to put others first before myself.

– I know many Atheists who are just as kind and caring as me and truly do what they can to be good people and make the world a better place.
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31)

James insults us with ancient references:

Even the pagans recognized this Marcus Tullius of Cicero, a republican senator of Rome, said that a man of courage, is also a man of faith. If Cicero is right, can an Atheist ever be brave? (5 min 12 sec)
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a) Marcus Tullius Cicero Minor was born 40 years before Jesus supposedly was, so whatever he believed, it wasn’t christianity.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero_Minor

b) This is such a bigotted hateful insult but again I really can’t be mad at James because he is only saying these things because he has been brainwashed and mentally conditioned to hate us and feel this way.

– James is of course just supporting my points about how religion causes people to not think clearly, to think things that are not only ridiculous in regards to bigotry and hatred, but also promotes thinking that is infectious and borderline psychotic.

c) You could also say that it takes real courage to come out as an Atheist with so much hatred in the world of them and James again is such a great example of that hate.

d) James obviously forgot Atheist Pat Tillman the ex football player and his whole story.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman
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32)

More hate and nonsense from James….

One of the more sinister and dishonest natures of Atheism is that it procedes a moral decline, violence and national suicide. (5 min 29 sec mark)
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a) No it doesn’t show a moral decline and I already showed that to be a lie.

http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2014/09/religious-or-not-we-all-misbehave

b) Atheists are not anymore violent than anyone else in general, but in this article I list several things that comes from religion as opposed to Atheism:

c) A study found that Atheists are more likely to be peaceful and religion to be more harmful in a 2006 survey study in England where 82% agreed the religion does more harm than good.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/dec/23/religion.topstories3

d) A 2010 Poll shows that Atheist countries are the most peace and the religious countries are the most violent:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

e) As for suicide, if you look on pages 9-10 here you’ll see that through intense studies and observation there was no evidence that Atheism, or no religious affiliation contributed to suicides.

http://www.suicidology-online.com/pdf/SOL-2012-3-59-71.pdf
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33)

James then gives a distorted and inaccurate argument for how Atheism is so horrible….

For the consequences of such a diabolical adoption, let us walk through a brief history of time. In the examination of ancient Atheists one has to examine the historical proximity to the person of Jesus Christ, whether or not their religious beliefs stem from a skepticism of the given orthodoxy, or a hatred of God? (5 min 40 sec)
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Let’s seriously get some things straight here:

a) There is no evidence Jesus even existed.

I show that here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/evidence-of-jesus-is-meaningless-two/

b) The entire bible is shown to be nothing but fake and scientifically impossible, aswell as historically false:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/christianity-debunked/

c) AGAIN with ‘the hatred of God nonsense’ that James keeps saying.

– This makes no sense and makes as much sense as James saying “he hates gay, rodeo-clown smurfs with rabies.”

c) You CAN’T hate things that don’t actually exist.
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34)

James then wastes our time with pointless nonsense which means nothing and makes no point….

The presoctratic philosophers fall on to the first category. Epicurius and Esophus fall into the second. Esophus dominated the Ethenian government in the 5th century. Consider the playright Euripodies who wrote in his play ‘Belorofon’, “does someone say that there are gods above? There are not. No there are not. Let no fool be lead by an old false fable, thus deceive you. (6 min 3 sec mark)

a) I have no comment on this irrelevant point.

b) The only point being made is to not waste peoples time with irrevelevent quotes from 2000 year old people who really had no idea what was going on in reality.

c) As Brilliant scientist, physicist and loud vocal Atheist Sean M. Carroll said in his debate with William Lane Craig, “200 years ago he himself would be a theist because back then that’s all anybody knew” and this is one of the biggest a greatest voices for Atheism and science there is.
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35)

James wastes more of our time with irrelevant quotes of ancient people, but provides us with nothing in the lines of evidence, or anything that would convince us to believe his religion….
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Aristiphanies a satirist wrote Shrines? Shrines? Surely you do not believe in the gods? What’s your argument? Where’s your proof? (6 min 33 sec mark)
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36)

James waste more time though…..

Arostophanies and Euripodies supported an Athenian politician named Alsobidies. Alsobidies lead his cities to war. His city he would later betray because he was immoral (6 min 46 sec mark)
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How about more modern stories?

a) George W. Bush said he talked to God every day through pastor Ted Haggart on the phone and God apparently told him to invade Iraq.

– Ted Haggart was head of the mega church.

– Ted was a big anti-gay crusader.

– Ted got caught doing crystal meth and having sex with men in public bathrooms.

b) Here’s an article that says Atheists are more intelligent than religious people:

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201004/why-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious

and

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists–study-finds–113350723.html
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37)

Now James attempts to demonize Atheists as psychopaths, even though Atheists simply just don’t believe in gods, or religions because there’s no evidence….

Consider the Atheism of Denis Diarow, one of the fathers of the french enlightenment. Who influenced the french revolution, whereby deists Maximillan Roguespiere killed 55,000 of his own country men before he himself was shot in the mouth and decapitated. (7 min mark)
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Well since we’re playing this game now:

a) How about how 80 popes tortured and murdered over 50 million people?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CWS0ePXeq24

b) How about the countless millions throughout history who died as human sacrifices to gods all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice

– The Aztecs alone killed 150,000 people a year as human sacrifices, for at least a century.

– The last I checked no Atheist ever did a human sacrifice to a god.
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38)

More irrelevant bigotted history from James….

The french revolution brought about the napoleonic wars. So much for the age of enlightenment. (7 min 20 sec mark)
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a) Here are the 10 most evil popes who just might have also been some of the most evil men who ever lived:

http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/

b) In 9-11 there were 19 islamic fanatics who killed over 3000 people.

c) In pakistan last year a 100 muslims rioted and burnt down a christian neighbourhood.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pakistani-mob-torches-christian-homes-in-lahore-over-prophet-mohamed-blasphemy-8527641.html
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39)

Here James really does delude himself and unfortunately others who might be watching and listening…..

And let us not forget the greatest Atheists of the modern era, Carl Marx and ‘The Communist Manifesto’ who influenced the regimes of those who killed over 200 million people. The great majority of those deaths, their own citizens. (7 min 25 sec mark)
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a) Sure didn’t stop the christian based cult from The People’s Temple in Jonestown, who drank the kool-aid, from embracing communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

b) Communist does not mean Atheist, they are completely different things.

c) George W. Bush (a christian) started a fake war in Iraq that in the end will have killed far over 200 million people.

– A great majority of those deaths will
be Bush’s own people since more and more american soldiers are dying every day.

– The war will never end and the war is now fueled by religion.
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40)

More figures from James where he attempts to try to say that politics and communism are the same as Atheism….

Lenin 9 million. Stalin 60 million. Mao sao song 78 million. Adolph Hitler who though was a pagan, rejected christianity in favor of a national socialism 75 million. Pol pot 1.6 million. Kim Il Jung 1.6 million. Fidel Castro 300,000. Ho chi men 200,000. Letorquo Elias Kias in the Christero war 90,000. 6833 clerics were killed in Spain’s Red Terror during the Spanish civil war, which itself killed 365,000. (7 min 42 sec mark)
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This figures are political and are about communism and has several mistakes

a) Atheism is NOT communism.

b) Hitler was a christian who used christianity as a tool to kill millions of jews and was following his hero Martin Luthor and Hitler hated Atheists.

Do read up on that:

http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/2012/02/martin-luther-grandfather-of-holocaust.html?m=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

c) Hitler used christianity as his tool to power and used christianity and his love for God to unite the german people.

Just read his quotes:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/08/23/list-of-hitler-quotes-he-was-q/

d) Now if you wanted to go into the figures of what christianity has done, well we can do that sure:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

e) Now just religion itself all over would be far above if you counted all the blasphemy and human sacrifices such as the Aztecs who killed 150,000 a year by ripping their hearts out.

But here are some more figures on religious massacres:

http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.ca/2012/10/religion-kills.html?spref=tw&m=1

f) Also reminding James of these little undeniable facts:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/what-is-undeniable/

g) Nobody here sacrificed anyone to the god of Atheism.
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41)

More of James confusing politics, war and communism with Atheism…..

These men and those that follow them, rejected christianity and professed communism and Atheism. (8 min 33 sec mark)
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a) What James needs to realize is that all he is really saying is that people should believe a lie, even if it isn’t true, because James thinks that you need to believe a lie in order to be a good person.

b) All James is saying is that the only reason he does what he knows to be “good” is because he fears God and Satan in hell.

c) He is telling us that he isn’t intelligent enough to know that rape, murder and stealing are wrong.

d) James is telling us that he doesn’t do good things because he wants to, but because he feels he has no choice.

e) So basically James has just exposed the complete irrelevancy of religion for the following reasons:

– Religion makes make people do immoral things such as murder, child marriages, bigotry, suicide, child genital mutilation and scam people of trillions.

– No religion is based on any truth, or has any truth about them and all religions are lies. (I await the evidence that I’ve yet to debunk)

– Religious people are only being good because they fear punishment and also want a reward.

– They do bad things anyway even though they are religious.

The above 4 points will make a great Twitter meme and short article.
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42)

James continues….

Let us look at the united kingdom. Whose separation from the catholic church gave away to a slow asphyxiation and toward a working Atheism, now dominant in british society. (8 min 33 sec mark)
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Well let’s consider a few things:

a) Being a modern Atheist country is not a bad thing as I showed everyone earlier in this article that the happiest most peaceful countries in the world are mostly Atheist countries.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/travel/happiest-countries-to-visit/index.html?c=&page=0

Do notice that the above CNN article isn’t about religion, but simply about the happiest countries in the world, which happen to be non-religious.

b) The United Kingdom is being invaded by islam with a huge population boom of muslims and sharia law is being attempted to be put in place.

– James should think this is ok since they are all people of faith in their religion and therefore must be so much better than Atheists

James should watch these 2 short clips and tell me what he agrees with since the muslims are all devout people of faith:

http://m.cbn.com/media/player/mp4/DHU227v2_WS

http://madworldnews.com/muslim-invaded-hometown/ (had to post this again)

c) Atheism being dominant is a good thing, since living a lie that is hateful, anti-science and causes wars is never a good thing and the last I looked that clearly is christianity and islam.

– I know James would like to think that christianity is peaceful and that christianity can do no wrong, but history clearly dictates that that is not the case.

– James’ brainwashing and most likely child indoctrination doesn’t allow him to find any fault in his religion, which should be the first sign.

d) The catholic church is a scam, a crime organization that is full of scandal, abuse and hatred, but above all else a complete waste of everyones time.

e) The fact that people are waking up
and losing their religion and families are not child indoctrinating their kids to religious lies is a good thing for society.

This is progress:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/23/religion-to-go-extinct-in-9-countries-experts-predict/

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201204/atheism-defeat-religion-2038

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/3494971?utm_hp_ref=tw

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2012/08/13/poll-shows-atheism-on-the-rise-in-the-us

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mLmvyKYIxr0
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43)

James continues…..

Not only is Atheistic socialism abolishing Britain as Peter Hitchens has documented, but England itself is vulnerable to co-option for the muslim brotherhood inside the realms, it seeks to establish sharia rule from within. (8 min 56 sec mark)

So as we just talked about:

a) This should be a good thing according to James since the muslims are not Atheists and the muslims are all devout people of faith.

b) If James is not happy about the booming muslim population then he completely contradicts what he says in this whole point of this video.

– He is merely against every religion that he wasn’t child indoctrinated to really, is what he’s saying now.

– All the same reasons he does not believe all the multiple religions he wasn’t child indoctrinated to believe, coincidentally happen to be the same reasons I don’t believe them.

– Those same reasons are the reasons why I go one further and don’t believe James religion he was mentally conditioned since birth not to believe.
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44)

James continues his Atheist hate bashing…..

So if you are an Atheist. Consider that your faith does not encourage you to hope. Mine does. (9 min 17 sec mark)
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a) Atheists don’t have a religion, we have a lack of religion.

– Like if someone isn’t sick and they are healthy, they have a lack of sickness.

b) Atheists have lots of hope and what James is saying is a complete lie.

Like myself for example:

– I hope religion doesn’t destroy the Earth.

– I hope James goes and does his research and sees that his religion is a complete lie and a waste of time.

– I hope James realizes that he has been doing nothing but harm society and the world in general by speaking out against Atheism.

– I hope I can make a difference and change the world for the better.

– I hope that we can successfully go into outerspace and leave religion in the past.
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45)

More lies from James….

Your faith doesn’t encourage you to forgive. Mine does. (9 min 25 sec mark)
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More of the same from him.

a) Atheists have no faith.

– We have knowledge
– We have a need for evidence
– We have don’t base our lies around things that make no sense and have no evidence to back them up
– We have an understanding of facts
– We have a reality based on those facts

b) I forgive people if they deserve it.

– Forgiveness has to be earned.

– If I choose to not forgive someone well that is my choice.

– If I don’t forgive someone then odds are they probably didn’t deserve it.

c) Whether I forgive people or not does not make any religion real and does not make gods real.

d) Whether I forgive people or not, James is still living a lie.
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46)

James continues his hatemongering…..

Your faith does not encourage you to be merciful. To be generous (9 min 31 sec mark)

a) I don’t have faith, but a hope that people will just do the right things and be generous.

– I’m not disappointed because people are generous.

– I’m very generous and give a lot to charity and often help people in need and do what I can. (just sayin)

– I rescue stray animals and find them homes. (just sayin again)

b) Atheists actually are more generous than religious people:

http://www.examiner.com/article/godless-billionaires-ask-super-rich-to-give-it-up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247067/Bill-Gates-makes-worlds-largest-charitable-6bn-vaccines-poor-children.html

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/28/are-religious-people-really-more-generous-than-atheists-a-new-study-puts-that-myth-to-rest/

c) And if James thinks that there aren’t Atheist charities then he would be quite wrong:

http://techskeptic.blogspot.ca/2007/12/atheist-charities.html?m=1

He would be surprised to know that Unicef and the Red Cross are secular, non-religious charities.

d) Religion is afterall a scam and just used to make people rich who take advantage of them.

Such as Pat Robertson:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/07/doc-mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds.html

http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.ca/2011/10/pat-robertson-to-mom-who-asks-for.html?m=1

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/04/1327137/-Pat-Robertson-advises-80-year-old-tither-to-get-her-butt-to-work
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47)

More of James bigotry….

To use your imagination. To sacrifice. (9 min 37 sec mark)
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More lies from James supported by nothing.

a) As Atheist Pat Tillman showed leaving his football career to protect America.

b) As this article shows about how Atheists are more compassionate:

http://m.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html

c) James is only showing how nothing he says is of any validity and that everything he says he merely hate based, bigotted and not true and should therefore just be ignored.
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48)

James just goes on and on with his lies and hatred….

To limit yourself to protect and defend others. My faith does. (9 min 40 sec mark)
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Nonsense based on nothing and there still is no truth to any religion.
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49)

More hateful, bigotted lies from James….

Your faith does not encourage you to love. My faith does. (9 min 47 sec mark)
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James needs to seriously wake up.

a) If I didn’t love other people I wouldn’t be trying to wake people up to reality in order to help them.

b) James needs to start talking to more Atheists.

c) Love is natural, but religions which cause people to hate and murder are not.

d) I have thousands of people and animals I truly love and I love my country and I love myself.

– How could I not love myself when I spend 90% of my time every day thinking about ways to help other people and actually trying to make the world a better place?😉
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50)

James continues…..

If there is a god worth worshipping, surely his name is ‘love’ and is love. (9 min 51 sec mark)
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James seriously needs a reality check.

a) James must not have read Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and Judges then.

– God is nothing but a psychopathic douche bag in those books and now that you mention it, in every book in the bible.

– I see no love from God ANYWHERE in the bible.

– I see only ‘Obey Yahweh and Jesus, or else’.

b) If James needs a book and a religion to tell him how and why to be a decent human being then I truly feel sorry for him.

– I mean that’s just sad.

– So glad I can figure things out for myself.
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51)

James continues….

If you are a believer you must be witness to your faith. These Atheists are getting bolder and bolder and what does it say about you who says nothing as these small encroachments water down and strangle the faith of our fathers? (9 min 58 sec mark)
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Well we really can’t help it because if we don’t speak up then religion will destroy the world and everyone in it.

a) James needs to realize that Atheists aren’t the problem, but that religions are the problem.

– If he would simply start doing his research he would realize.

– If he realizes the truth then he will be able to look from the outside and look in and see the reality of what the harms and the problems of religion are.

– James would realize that he is doing more harm than good.

b) The only reason that Atheists are becoming bolder and bolder is because of people like James who make ridiculous videos like this and say such insane things.

c) The things James says in this video he truly believes and to be honest it’s quite terrifying.

d) All James has really done is motivate people to speak out more and in fact all he’s done is exactly what he sought out to do the opposite of.

– I know I felt motivated to dissect this video and believe me it was a lot of time I rather would have been doing somethong else, but what James says in this video truly blew my mind.

e) It’s called ‘faith’ because it’s not knowledge.

f) Faith is useless.

g) The sooner James wakes up to reality the better.

Like these inspirational people who all were once christian evangelists:

http://www.theplaydoughpoem.com

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x1q3GiTJzfM&feature=g-high-lik

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BeFdhyuVyzI

h) Part of the reality that people like James need to realize is that Atheists like myself see horrible things going on around us and we feel desperately helpless to stop it, but we really want to.

– We don’t know how, but we’re trying our best.

I explain more about that here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/why-atheists-should-be-angry/

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52)

Ok so this is where James seems to have gone completely off the deepend….

If you will not say something for fear of offending someone, will you say something when the baonets are drawn? When the sham trials commence? When the executions start? (10 min 16 sec mark)
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There are things James needs to seriously wake up to.

a) James needs to realize something about his wonderful country (yes I love the United States).

– The US has a constituition which protects people’s freedom of religion.

– This is what protects people like me from people like James.

– He should also be relieved that it also protects people like him from people like the imaginary Atheists, who James believes are out to throw him into an oven and eat his babies.

James should watch this clip to seriously realize about the constituition and why you have it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KtbA6CYYM

b) So it’s quite obvious that James is very sheltered in his thinking and you can’t help but wonder about some things:

– Does he even know any Atheists?

– Does he treat them this badly in real life like they are monsters and sociopaths. (When I was religious I never knew anyone who wasn’t a believer, so maybe he just doesn’t know any)

– Is he this bigotted against other different people?

– Is he bigotted against black people and gay people? (you have to wonder how far this goes)

c) James needs to stop watching Fox news and be more open minded and stop being so bigotted and hateful.

d) For anyone reading this and thinks I’m making up what he said you can easily watch the link provided at the top.

e) I hope that anyone who watches his video sees what the effects of watching too much Fox news does to people and the effect of religion on people and how it makes people act like hateful, bigotted, paranoid schizophrenics, who think Atheists are plotting against them to throw them in prisons.
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53)

Now this is James attempt at spreading wisdom….

If you will not show moral courage, you will not show physical courage and you can not teach which you do not have. (10 min 29 sec mark)
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Unbelievable.

a) Courage is when Atheists actually are able to speak openly about them being Atheists in the first place in a society full of people like James.

b) Moral courage is doing what’s right simply because it’s right and you want to help and be a good person.

– Not because you feel you have to or you will be punished, or because you are only being good so you can get a reward.

c) James really needs to wake up and realize he is living in a hateful fantasy world.

d) If James actually wanted to show that HE has courage, then he should be brave enough to challenge his beliefs, do his research and test the possibility that he might be wrong.
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54)

James finishes off with THE WORST case for christianity I have ever heard….

I’ve made the case against Atheism, but what about the case for christianity? I would like to echo the words of Saint Peter who no doubt was befuddled by Christ’s teachings. So Christ asked Saint Peter “do you want to leave?” To which Saint Peter replied “master, where else should we go? Who else has the words of eternal life? (10 min 40 sec mark)
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Again, I await James’ evidence of Jesus and anything in the bible being true and also his evidence that the only reason he believes his absurd religion that has no evidence and not another absurd religion that has no evidence, isn’t because he was child indoctrinated.
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55)

Finally James finishes with this..,.

God bless you and God bless America (11 min 9 sec mark)
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No comment other than the statement that I only hope America wakes up and science and reason eventually do win over delusion and irrationality.

I also hope James wakes up and learns the ways of reality a bit better.

Destroying Sacerdotus

Here is an old article, from my old blog, of an exchange with the craziest person on Twitter, by the name of Sacerdotus.

Saccy disappeared for a while after getting suspended and harrassing and getting Rosa Rubicondior suspended by making up a bunch of lies. He’s back now though.

Saccy has like 20+ Twitter accounts that he uses to support himself and defend himself on Twitter and likes to start accounts pretending to be young teenage boys, or girls and then will report Atheists to Twitter for talking to “a minor” and saying “he was mentally abused online”.

For more on Sacerdotus, or Manny as his real name is, then do read this article:

http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.ca/p/sac-bag.html?m=1

I actually had completely forgotten about this response I wrote but I see that Saccy/Manny is using his new Twitter account and posting his silly little article regarding our exchange and then reminded me that I had this response I wrote on file.

http://www.sacerdotus.com/2012/07/soldering-iron-atheist.html?spref=tw&m=1

So it was a few years ago now Saccy was debating me on Twitter and I had brought up several points to him. He then wrote this article in response to what I said on Twitter that day:

1) I stated….

“Everyone’s born an Atheist til corrupted with lies by society”

Sacerdotus replies…..

“This is not possible. In order to be an Atheist one must reject the concept of God. Rejection is an action that must be performed after prior knowledge exists of what is about to be rejected. In other words, one must know about the subject before voicing an opinion on it. I cannot tell you that there is no spherical triangle in nature unless I was aware of what shapes are beforehand.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ delusional, dishonest, untrue nonsense….

-Sacerdotus is warping reality in his own mind and projecting his false statement hoping we accept his answer.

-Atheism means “not believing in gods or religions and that’s it.

-Since all religions are completely disproved and make no sense whatsoever and have not a shred of evidence, the only logical conclusion is that people are brainwashed and deceived to overlook logic and truth, or as stated “corrupted by lies from society”

-If Sacerdotus has the nerve to state that that there is actual truth and evidence to prove anything in the bible, or ANY religion, then by all means let him give it to us.

-Everyone who is a religious is an Atheist to the 1000’s of other religions on Earth. Only few they are aware of, but they disbelieve those also. Complete evidence that the only reason they believe any particular religion is because of brainwashing and geographical circumstances.

-People are only religious because they were child indoctrinated or they were brainwashed when older because they were exploited by being caught in an emotionally vulnerable state.
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Sacerdotus then continues….

“Moreover, no one can know the internal state of anyone. We do not know what knowledge a young baby’s brain contains. There is no way to read a baby’s mind. According to geneticists, we all have the VMAT2 gene which predisposes us to believe in God. Atheism is not the unawareness of God.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ statement of “not knowing the internal state of anyone”….

-It’s very simple. People can only believe something that has no evidence and makes no sense and is proven to be fraud if they are brainwashed, or as more nicely said “corrupted by society”. They must be deceived and their brains wiring altered to only accept one reality, unknowingly against their will.

-Ask Sacerdotus if he believes brainwashing exists. It of course does exist and is a documented fact. If someone knew they were brainwashed, then they wouldn’t be brainwashed. Simple fact.

In response to the “VMAT2 gene” lie that Sacerdotus mentions….

-That is not proven whatsoever and is proof of nothing. It is a false statement and something Sacerdotus only hopes people will NOT look it up, or they will see that it is nothing more than fraud and hopeful thinking.
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2) Iron Atheist stated….

“There are over 3000 gods worshipped on Earth right now”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Those gods are the anthropomorphic representations of the one God from man using his limited language. For example, you can call your mother mom. Another may call his/her mother mommy. The main idea is still present: you both have a mother figure. So whatever names or descriptions man gives God, the underlining factor remains that there is a Creator.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ irrelevant point and I really do mean irrelevant as in “totally missed the point”….

-3700 gods worshipped on Earth are very different from each other and merely proves again that religion is nothing more than brainwashing, geographical exposure and infection from people who are trusted but brainwashed, from people they trusted who were brainwashed and so on and so on.

-People giving something that isn’t real a name and someone else giving the same thing that is not real a different name, does not make that thing real. It is a completely invalid point.

-As the great Christopher Hitchens once said “Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong”.

-Since no religion has any evidence of supernatural truth and has only truth of evidence of being fraudulent brainwashing, then the above statement by Christopher Hitchens is correct.

-The fact that of even giving something a name does not make it real. Bernie Madoff’s “investment plan” might have had a name, but was not real.

-Ask Sacerdotus if the Lochness monster is real. Some people call it “Nessie”. Doesn’t make it real.
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3) Iron Atheist stated….

“Your religion alone has been entirely disproven in it’s entirety having been completely debunked by science”.
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Sacerdotus replies….

“When? The Catholic Church invented science as we know it. Franciscan Friar Francis Bacon developed the Scientific Method. Monsignor Lemaitre formulated the “Big Bang” theory. Isaac Newton, the father of physics was a devout Catholic who valued the Bible greatly.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ completely irrelevant statement which mostly has nothing to do with what I said….

-“When?” Sacerdotus asks. How about ever since people stopped being put to death in places on Earth for blasphemy?!

-As many times as you ask Sacerdotus for any real proof of anything in his religion or ANY religion having evidence of supernatural truth, he will not answer you unless it is from a biased and ridiculously opinionated article, or link.

-Sacerdotus saying that “a few scientists were religious so that means that science cant disprove religion” makes so little sense, that I fail to see how that argues with the point I made in the slightest bit!

-All Sacerdotus really said was if you think about it is “that brainwashed people helped to destroy the religious delusion by exposing the truth.”

-Ask Sacerdotus how fossils, chemistry, astronomy, biology and correct and unbiased historical evidence havent destroyed every thing in the bible! He can’t of course and has no biblical evidence whatsover! Ask him for it and not from biased websites, or articles!

-Sacerdotus fails completely again to counter, or make a relevant point and AGAIN can’t even answer something with an answer that isnt opinion only and a dishonest complete subject change!
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4) I stated….

“Earth has been proven to be 4.5 billion years old”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Nothing has been proven. Estimates are made based on carbon dating. Carbon dating is not entirely accurate. The National Foundation of Science in Miami found flaws in this system of measurement. We do not know the original base ratio of the radioactivity in carbon from which to begin from and there is also contamination from external radioactive forces. We believe the Earth is 4 billion years old, but we do not know this for sure.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ unscientific, untruthful, misleading and completely inaccurately biased words about Earth’s age…..

-Sacerdotus is NOT a scientist and millions of brilliant scientists have concluded Earth’s age to be 4.5 billion.

-Sacerdotus not accepting the truth and telling himself that the scientists are wrong is just another example of brainwashing and denial due FROM religious brainwashing.

5) I stated…. Modern man is approx 100,000, or older, much older maybe.
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Again, we do not know this for sure based on the answer in number 4. We are still learning how to accurately date things. For now, all we have are estimates.”
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In response to more of Sacerdotus’ unscientific, untruthful, biased, misleading non-sense….

-Again we have Sacerdotus saying something, not as a scientist, but as a religious, brainwashed creationist, who dismisses any and all evidence of anything that proves ANYTHING in his religion and bible wrong.

-Sacerdotus believes Earth and man to be 10,000 years old, or less and completely ignores the fact that oil and fossil fuels took many million years to make, 1000s of extinct species of fossils have been discovered, DNA evidence and scientifically certifiable carbon-dating!

-“Genesis” which the Adam and Eve story and the Garden of Eden were written in, was written by “Moses”. There is no historical evidence Moses existed, or that “The Exodus” ever happened. All Egyptian historical documentation and physical evidence outside the bible completely contradict it. So the truth is that a fraud was written by someone who claimed to be someone who is another fraud. Not credible at all.

6) I stated….

“So many religions have predated other religions & faded to non existence having been made up & societies dying out with them”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“The fact that religion has always existed shows man’s need to look beyond this world. Most religions are similar. They have a God creator, a creation story and an afterlife. How did ancient peoples come to these similar conclusions from thousands of miles apart?”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ empty, meaningless reply, which proves nothing of a god & proves nothing of christianity which is what Sacerdotus believes….

-Just because religion has existed a long time does not mean any of it is true.

-All religion is is a belief in supernatural entities.

-There still at this time is no proof that any supernatural beings are real. Please ask Sacerdotus for any proven facts of any religious supernatural beings actually existing.

-The bible is proof of nothing.

-Ask Sacerdotus what he thinks of the Aztecs sacrificing 250,000 people a year by ripping their hearts out for centuries? What part of the Aztec religion does he find similar to his? God was big on human blood in the bible also. Was that it?

-How does Sacerdotus think that people came to these conclusions? People made them up, they deceived people, they earned peoples trust, people are gullible and brainwashed and people didn’t know how things really worked in the world.

-Sacerdotus makes no point whatsoever when he says religions are similar. If they are similar then they must be okay? Is that what he implies? Does Sacerdotus think it ok to worship Zeus, or Allah then?
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7) I stated….

“Back 1000’s of years ago people made religion up to explain the world around them & the stories stuck & they evolved also”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Not true, religion has existed way before 1000 years ago. Religion exists not to explain the world, but to explain its purpose: big difference”
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In response to yet ANOTHER one of Sacerdotus’ empty, meaningless answers that have nothing to do with what Iron Atheist said….

-Iron Atheist said “1000’s”, not a 1000. Meaning many 1000’s of years before christianity.

-Sacerdotus says “Religion exists not to explain the world, but to explain its purpose: big difference.” What does this have to do with what I asked?

-Sacerdotus said nothing that proved his religion, or any other religion true!

-Since Sacerdotus doesn’t agree with the purposes of any other religion other than his own, it proves nothing of his religious purpose or any religious purpose being significant whatsoever!
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8) Iron Atheist stated….

“People get brainwashed as children by families & their thinking in their brains is wired to have a codependence to a god”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“No, according to geneticists we all are wired to believe in God due to the VMAT2 gene”
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In response to Sacardotus’ beyond pathetic reply….

-“According to geneticists” Sacerdotus says. Funny how Sacerdotus believes something that is an absurd, untrue delusion that tells him exactly what he wants to hear, but refuses to accept geneticists when they have DNA proof of humans being over 100,000 years old.

-It’s funny how not only geneticists prove, but simple biology proves, that viruses evolve, which simply proves evolution exists. This however does not go along with what Sacerdotus wants to hear. Anything that proves evolution is real is disregarded.

-Sacerdotus will however present us with some untrue, irrelevant argument that humans have a gene encoded in our DNA that makes us believe in god.

-If belief in god were encoded in our DNA then why are there Atheists? Everyone has viruses that evolve, but not everyone believes in god. As in every single one of Sacerdotus’ points, they are irrelevant, untrue, dishonest and pointless.

-If we are wired in our DNA to believe in god, then how are so many people Atheists who can clearly see the fraud, inaccuracies, brainwashing, injustice and contradictions of religion?

-Sacerdotus makes no argument to what I said about familes brainwashing their children to religion. There is nothing in his argument concept that has anything to do with it.

-If a child was never told of the concept of a god and was not introduced to the concept of a god til they were 18, then the person would not give the concept of god a chance. It would sound ridiculous.

-When a child’s brain is young it is conditioned and programmed to the “realities” that it is subjected to. Proof that religion is only brainwashing.

-Since there is nothing rational, realistic, truthful, provable or sensible in any religion, then that is proof that religion is only brainwashing and rewiring of the brain to only see and accept a false reality that people are geographically exposed to.

-Ask Sacerdotus if he thinks muslim parents teaching their kids to be suicide bombers is brainwashing? Ask Sacerdotus how he can prove he ISN’T brainwashed?

-Ask Sacerdotus if a small child singing a hateful song “all fags go to hell” is brainwashing? While that same child if they were raised a muslim could be taught to be a suicide bomber. Ask Sacerdotus if he believes they are brainwashed, yet he himself is not?
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9) I stated….

“People cannot deal with the reality of the end of their existence & religion causes people to be in denial with delusion”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“This is a claim that cannot be proven. I never met anyone who was afraid of their existence coming to an end. Even as an Atheist, I accepted the fact that eventually I will be gone. I don’t think anyone believes in God or religion out of fear of death.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ claim that what I said cannot be proven and what Sacerdotus says he himself “thinks”….

-Who does Sacerdotus think he’s kidding? Fearing death IS the biggest side effect of religious brainwashing. For Sacerdotus to say that religion doesn’t cause people to fear death is like saying Atheism isn’t caused by lack of evidence of any gods, logical thinking and awareness of scientific explanations.

-How many times have we heard of religious people saying “well better safe than sorry? That is an example of fearing death. Does Sacerdotus not know of “Pascal’s Wager”? Maybe he should read up on it.

-Whether people can’t mentally deal with the end of their existence and have to use religion to delude themselves to think they are somehow immortal as a mental self-defense, or are brainwashed to fear hell, both are perfect examples of people being religious and fearing death. Is Sacerdotus too stupid to not see that? I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say “no” and that Sacerdotus is simply doing his usual lying and general dishonesty.
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10) I stated….

“People who ARE religious are religious to whatever religion is geographical to them, or what they are brainwashed to”
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“Not always. There are children who do not go to Church with their parents or parents who don’t go but their children do. Moreover, there are Christians in Muslim countries and Muslims in Christian ones”
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In response to yet ANOTHER pathetic reply from Sacerdotus….

-We see him agree with what I said, but say that “that is not always the case”. He simply says that there are some exceptions, which is of course the weakest argument point anyone can make!

-In entire countries such as Iran where it is punishable by death to NOT be a muslim and places like “The Bible Belt” in the USA where christians in Kentucky are making it a crime to be an Atheist punishable by jail time, Sacerdotus really has no valid argument about religion NOT being a geographical influence.

-Sacerdotus says “some people dont go to church but their families do”. Yes they are called “rational human beings”, or “Atheists”. It is a good thing that people do that and it’s becoming more common in this day and age.

-Saying geography does not strongly and mostly cause what religion someone is, is like saying “religion doesn’t cause hatred, bigotry and wars”. The evidence is there and you can’t deny the facts.
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11) I stated….

“Panspermia has been proven to be the reason of where life came from & has been proven to be real by research in space”
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“Panspermia does not have a strong scientific backing. If it were true, we would have found life elsewhere by now. Moreover, if panspermia were true it still does not explain where everything came from. This Universe has a First Cause. Panspermia would not be that First Cause, but a cause from a prior cause.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which did not debunk panspermia’s truth, or evidence, or the fact that scientists have supported it and it’s evidence….

-Panspermia is quite real and documented in several examples if Sacerdotus were to research it. He of course must have NOT researched or he would not have given such a dishonest, incorrect answer.

-Panspermia is true, though some life also probably originated on Earth by itself through natural means as it does throughout the universe.

-Sacerdotus does not completey dismiss the possibility of panspermia, but instead says that “life must have come from somewhere”. Well that does cancel out the Adam and Eve story and christianity since panspermia is shown to exist and show life exists in space.

-So basically Sacerdotus only has one example of god in this entire conversation and that is “space germs”, germs which can be created anywhere naturally through random means. Space germs do not prove christianity though, just that life exists and evolves on it’s own.

-The universe having a cause of it being created does not mean in any way, shape, or form that an intelligent design had anything to do with it. That’s just wishful thinking by religious people that their lives haven’t been wasted on nonsense and delusion.
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“People are disillusioned to thanking god for anything when there is no proof that hard work & being good are not why.”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“We thank God because everything exists because of Him. People who are cured of diseases thank God because obviously no work was done by man to assist in the dramatic recovery.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which didn’t counter the point that just simply being good and living a good life give you good things in it, not simple worship….

-Thanking god for good things happening is irrelevant when there is no evidence that prayers are answered or unanswered. Millions of good religious people pray every day for important crucial things. It doesn’t stop child molestation in churches, or anything of the sort.

-So Sacerdotus is saying to thank god cause he created everything? There is no evidence of this, or god even existing.

-It is not surprising that Sacerdotus is so brainwashed that he ignores all the evil god is responsible for in the bible and the unspeakable evil that exists everywhere every day! If god is responsible for all the good, then who is responsible for all the bad? Must be god right? Well actually it’s no one cause god does not exist!

-Sacerdotus saying “to thank god for curing diseases” is one of the most absurd things he has said so far. Sacerdotus should look up faith healing and see how many people have died from that!

-Mother Teresa caused thousands to suffer with her faith and fraud and opposition of birth control. Does Sacerdotus think badly of her? No of course not. More proof of his delusion and denial.

-Without science and medicine there would be no cures from sickness, or growing of limbs, or amazing things that advance on a daily basis from scientists and doctors not priests, or prayer and definitely not a non-existent god.

13) I state….

“When bad things happen to good people who pray anyways, what’s the point when there’s no proof of any divine factor 50/50?”
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“Bad things happen to good people because we judge it as bad. Without pain and suffering, human beings cannot learn. Pain and suffering are part of the human experience. It takes a wise mind to realize the good behind bad things.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which he totally missed the point on when the point was simply “since there is no proof of god and nothing about god that has anything to do with me, then who cares and what’s the point?”

-If we judge things as “bad” then last time I checked that actually DOES make them BAD.

-“Without pain and suffering people cannot learn”? What is he talking about? Of course they can. What nonsense is that?

-Pain and suffering are part of the human experience, but a truly good person can have no experience with suffering or being religious and still grow up an amazingly descent person.

-“It takes a wise mind to realize the good behind bad things”? Seriously? How is it good when priests molest children? How is it good when suffering and torture exist of innocent people? If Sacerdotus is so wise as he tries to let on, then ask him how someone is benefitted by being tortured to death?
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14) I then asked….

“What kind of god would allow human sacrifices, or insufferable punishment by the BILLIONS unnecessarily? Unless the concept is untrue, or god is evil?”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Human sacrifices are the ideas of ancient peoples who thought the best gift to God was a human being. This is not the fault of God.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ reply which completely did not answer the question and was just another example of deflection and avoidance….

-Sacerdotus is saying that it is okay for a god to allow millions of innocent people to be painfully murdered for no reason. This shows Sacerdotus is insanely brainwashed and biased and unable to find any fault in his delusional belief.

-So Sacerdotus is basically saying “all good things are god’s doing and all bad things are people’s fault”.

-Since Sacerdotus thinks god is omnipotent, then logically god could stop suffering and premature death and misfortunes of good and decent people. God does not. So not only is there no proof of god, but there is proof that IF god did exist, then it is an unworthy god to worship and most likely a psychopath.

-The question was “what kind of god would allow human sacrifices, or insufferable punishment by the BILLIONS unnecessarily? Unless untrue?” So why did Sacerdotus not answer the question? What kind of god would do that?

-Epicurus made the quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Sacerdotus did not indicate which one of Epicurus examples god is. It would seem that none of them are good.

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Would You want to know?

So the thing that I am told a lot on Twitter is “that even if religion is nothing more than brainwashing, that telling them they are brainwashed is not how you cure them from being brainwashed”.

Now I find this completely mindblowing for several reasons that are the result of me saying this:

– These are Atheists who are usually saying this to me.

– These people who are saying this to me are usually at the same time saying being religious ISN’T brainwashing.

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– They are defending religion by saying that some people can be religious by not being brainwashed.
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Now before I get to my main point I will AGAIN repeat these things that I say all the time that apparently have given me this bad reputation.

a) There is no evidence of any religion being true, or having any evidence.

b) Simply implying “that if there were a ‘God’ it would probably be the christian God” does not count as evidence.

c) Anyone who implies that if a ‘God’ existed it would probably be the christian ‘God’ and somehow thinks this is counted as ‘evidence’ really is a complete moron and truly is what is wrong with this world.

d) Believing religions that are based on absurd and outrageous things without evidence that make no sense, can only be counted AS BEING BRAINWASHED!

e) ‘Deism’ or being a ‘deist’ is not being brainwashed since it’s just an opinion (God exists or once existed) and can’t be proven or disproven.

– Being a deist also isn’t based on nonsensical stories that have no evidence and are shown to be untrue.

– Who cares if someone is simply a deist? (unless your name is Deepak Chopra)

f) Being brainwashed to religion, or as I say “being religious” involves one of 2 methods.

– Being child indoctrinated and mentally conditioned to believe nonsense that makes no sense and has no evidence.

– Being caught in a state of being emotionally and mentally vulnerable.

g) A ‘religion’ is a ‘cult’ but has grown in size and has attained it’s ‘being normal statis’ through having enormous membership of those who believe them.

– A religion is just a big cult.

h) There is no way that someone can be religious UNLESS THEY ARE BRAINWASHED! (Yes I’m yelling)

i) ‘Personal experience’ does not count as evidence since they cannot be proven and are only believed because someone was in an emotionally, or mentally vulnerable state.

j) Believing that the universe had intelligent design does not count as evidence of any religion being true.
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Having said all of the above, I will now get to my main point about WHY you should tell people they are brainwashed to their religion:

1) If you were brainwashed to something, wouldn’t you like to know about it?

a) Who wants to be living a lie without their knowledge that they are living a lie?

b) If someone was conditioned to believe a lie and conditioned to not listen to evidence, then why wouldn’t you tell them?
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2) You aren’t helping anyone by not telling them they are brainwashed.
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3) If nobody believes that the only reason people are religious is because of being brainwashed, or that too many people DON’T believe it who are non-believers, then the TRUTH is just being hidden and discouraged.
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4) Anything other than showing people they have no evidence and that the only reason they believe their religion is because of brainwashing, is a waste of time.

a) Intelligent design debating is a waste of time.

– This proves no religion, so who cares?

b) Where people magically get their morals from is a waste of time.

– This is just meaningless timewasting deflection that gets people nowhere and proves nothing.

c) Debating pointlessly over whether or not people need to believe in a divine power is completely pointless and meaningless.

– People only believe whatever religion they were child indoctrinated to, or exposed to when emotionally and mentally vulnerable.

– If they weren’t exposed to any religion, they wouldn’t be religious, so again who cares?
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5) For anyone who has seen the movie ‘The Matrix’ please try to think of religious believers like people within the Matrix.

a) Without telling people in the Matrix the truth, then what were they supposed to tell them?

– There is nothing else that is the relevant truth to religious believers.

– They are brainwashed to a lie that has no truth.

b) How were the humans supposed to win the war against the machines unless they told people the truth about the Matrix?

– How is rationality and reason supposed to win against religion unless people are woken up to the truth to come to the side of reason and sanity.

– People need to be told the truth, which is that people are only religious because they have been brainwashed to believe things that are nothing but lies, that have no evidence.

c) People in the Matrix deserved to be shown the truth.

– Some people unfortunately can’t handle the truth about religion and unfortunately there is no red pill, or blue pill to take.

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– If more people aren’t shown the reality that they are brainwashed to believe in a nonsensical lie though, then the religious numbers will continue to grow.

– If nobody believes the truth, not even the non-religious, then someday there might not be anyone left who isn’t brainwashed and doesn’t believe in religious nonsense.

– Someday all the non-believers will only be left living in secret to their non-belief, and fear the penalties that could exist everywhere, instead of just in the places where we know they exist NOW!

d) Religious brainwashing is no different than the Matrix in the sense that religion is “the prison that you can’t hear, or smell, or touch”.

– A prison for your mind.

e) The religious beliefs are the Matrix.

– Religions are the machines.

– The religious believers are the people hooked up to machines that hide them from reality.

– Without the believers believing religions then the religion machine has no power.
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6) Telling people they are brainwashed is not only essential to helping them, but it’s the only way that people are going to be able to bring peace and reason to the world.

– You can’t force anyone to disbelieve, or believe a religion.

– In order for a religion to get someone to believe something that makes no sense and has no evidence you need to brainwash them without them knowing they are brainwashed.

– If someone knew they were brainwashed then they wouldn’t be brainwashed.

– If you want someone to know they are brainwashed, you have to tell them and show them.
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I only say all this because I care about the world we live in and future generations to come.

Just because people somehow don’t see the harm of religion and the many truths I’ve said about religious brainwashing, doesn’t mean that I can stop saying the truth about it.

I can never stop shouting out about it and any sane and caring rational Atheist reading this must realize that they can’t let philosophers bully, or discourage them from saying the truth.

They can’t let the philosophers who defend religion while claiming to be the voices of reason, tell you, or convince you otherwise.

– Religion is brainwashing and nothing else.

– There is no logical reason to be religious unless someone is brainwashed.

– People who defend and don’t see that religion is nothing more than brainwashing are as much of a problem as religion itself.

– If they aren’t against religious brainwashing they are WITH religious brainwashing.
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As usual, the philosophers will attack this article and somehow not understand it, but the fact that they just don’t get the concept of the harm and the effect of religious brainwashing simply speaks for itself.

– If you are a philosopher and you attack religion and expose it’s brainwashing, then I salut you.

– If you are a philosopher and defend religion and religious brainwashing then you truly are what’s wrong with this world.

And if anyone thinks I am alone on what I have said about the things I say here, you would be wrong:

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Atheists Do Not Have “Faith” in Atheism

Now through a long 3 month online exchange I had with a rather psychotic christian that ended last month, a few things that came to my attention about what takes faith in religion.

As I said in my exchange “it takes more faith to believe in the evidence of Jesus, than the faith of Jesus.”

So let’s list a few things and points that come to mind. This is me speaking to the religious believers about their faith and saying that Atheists have faith too.

Here we go….

1) It takes faith to believe in Jesus since there is no evidence of Jesus, or it also takes faith to believe Mohammed was divine in any way shape, or form (riding a winged horse to heaven, splitting the moon).

2) It takes more faith to believe all the multiple bible scholars, archaeologists, historians and scientists who say that the gospels are fiction…. are wrong, or lying.

3) It takes more faith to believe that all the millions upon millions of pieces of evidence that both disprove a young Earth and prove evolution, are all wrong.

4) It takes more faith to not see that there is no difference from anyone else’s religion and the one that they believe in.

5) It takes faith to believe that you have some sort of afterlife and that all the many trillions upon trillions of life forms that ever existed that aren’t human do not.

6) It takes faith to believe that your religion is right and all the others are wrong. (40,000 different sects of christianity alone)

7) It takes faith to believe that there is any sort of god and that it would care about what anyone did in the first place (if they were gay, circumcised, or had lots of wild and crazy sex).

8) It takes faith to think that it isn’t a coincidence that you have the same religion as your parents that they raised you to believe since birth.

9) It takes faith to believe that if you were born in another country and raised by another religion that you wouldn’t believe that religion and not the one that you currently believe now in real life.

10) It takes faith to believe that you haven’t been lied to and brainwashed to believe something that has no evidence and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Now let’s go the other route.

What do Atheists have faith in?

1) The evidence of science?

– No, we have an understanding of things that have been scientfically put together.

– Science can be wrong and can be corrected sometimes, but when that happens we change our views according to the evidence.

2) Faith there is no “God”?

– We simply are aware that there is no evidence of any gods.

– There is no evidence any religion is real.

– There is evidence that no religion is real.

– If no religion is real then that means that the gods of those religions are not real either.

– If there were evidence of gods then we would believe.

3) Faith there is no afterlife.

– There is not a single reason to think that there is.

– This isn’t faith, this is called not deluding yourself believing something that has no evidence or reason to exist other than “we’d like it to”.
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So I hope that clears up any time wasting regarding Atheists having FAITH.

There Is No Argument

Ok so things in the world have really gone insane. When I say “insane” I mean that I have to take a step back and question my own sanity sometimes.

However I have stepped back and weighed the arguments very carefully in order for them to make sense.

1) No religion is true and we have evidence they are not true.

2) Religion is brainwashing and nothing else.

– Child indoctrination

– People are exploited to a religion of convenience to them when caught in being in an emotionally vulnerable state of mind.

> This mentally and emotionally vulnerable state is what sees everything as a “sign”, or personal experience.

3) Theories about deism are not evidence of theism.

4) There is no evidence to support any religion being real.

5) Faith in deism that are trying to be passed off as “theism” are not evidence for anything other than desperation.

6) A belief in deism is not evidence of anything because it can not be demonstrated to how it can be shown to be true.

7) Belief in deism that is attempted to be passed off as “theism” is no more believable or demonstratable than “we are living in a virtual reality simulator like the Matrix”.

8) Deism beliefs that are attempted to demonstrate “theism” can not be shown how they are anymore true than telling someone that when nobody is looking at them they turn invisible.

9) If it is not demonstratable that something is actually evidence and shown to be true, then it is not evidence for anything.

10) Rainbows are not evidence the great flood happened and that a God created rainbows.

11) Saying “the reason you believe a religion because of the overwhelming evidence” is not evidence if you don’t show the “evidence”.

12) Saying “there is overwhelming evidence” implies that there is “physical evidence” to be shown, observed, or demonstrated.

13) Implying that “you have concluded that your unprovable imaginary friend is more believable than the unprovable imaginary friend of all other religions, because you have ‘weighed the evidence'”, is not evidence.

14) Saying “you have weighed the evidence” but then never tell anyone what the “evidence” is, even though you are constantly asked for evidence for 2 years, is not evidence if you never demonstrate that evidence.

15) If you say there is overwhelming evidence for your religion, but then never show any of that evidence no matter how many times you are asked, then that means you do not have any evidence and you are a liar.

16) If I say I am the world’s greatest magician, but then refuse to show you any magic tricks and nobody else can vouch for my magic, then I have not shown any evidence that I am the world’s greatest magician, or that I am not lying, or that I even know any magic tricks at all.

17) If I tell you that “my evidence for my being an amazing magician is because I am only alive because of my real magic powers that keep me from getting fatal diseases, well that is not evidence if there is no way to show that it’s true.

18) If you say that the reason that you are religious is because “you want a personal relationship with the creator of the universe” does not give us any evidence that the universe has a creator, or that it would want a relationship with anyone.

– Especially if they also think that that god creates people in order to torture them, even though it makes people a certain way and knows everything they are going to do before they are born.

– Especially if the god of your religion is depicted as a narcissistic psychopath in your holy book, which is hardly the behavior of a superior loving being and definitely not something to be worshipped.

19) You are a liar when you say that there is overwhelming evidence of your religion, but then only give an opinion about “deism” which you attempt to say is “theism” which means “your religion”.

– This does not make evidence of your religion being true over any other religion and their ALSO non-existent evidence, which was the whole point.

20) You are a liar if you say “you have compared the evidence of all religions and found your religion to fit your standards of what a religion and the god of that religion should have”.

– If you never show this comparison of your religion with others, even though you said you compared and then don’t tell us what that is, then that is definitely called “lying”.

– You have proven that you made that up.

21) If you repeatedly say that other people “don’t know what evidence is” then you are just wasting time and deflecting the fact there is no evidence and you are just trying to convince others that something exists that doesn’t exist, but you keep telling them it exists anyway.

22) A “personal experience” is meaningless as evidence since they cannot be demonstrated to be true.

– If a person cannot tell us what the personal experience is then it is no different than a fortune teller giving a psychic reading which never comes true, or is vague and was inevitable to happen anyways.

– If the person has a personal experience and they never show us then that is the equivalent of lying if they never show it, when they could if it was true, but they do not.

23) If the person never reveals details about how they became religious and change their story when confronted about presenting details, then the person is lying.

– If there were reasons and details as claimed, but the person won’t say what they are, then obviously the person is lying, or it would be a simple matter of telling what it is.

24) All it comes down to is that there is no evidence and the only way to do apologetics is to lie, manipulate, mislead and convince people of things that aren’t true and that you showed them something that you never showed them.

25) No religion that I am aware of makes any sense, but of course when you try to get religious people to show how their religion makes sense, it will not.

– They will usually deflect and avoid explaining things because they know that their religion makes no sense to anyone.

26) Religious people are lying even if they are brainwashed for the following reasons:

– They have been mentally conditioned to not be able to deal with the truth.

> They can’t handle reality.

> Evidence of their religion is not required.

As William Lane Craig says “how evidence is not important due to his personal experience of the witness of the holy spirit”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ALj8-L9VJf8&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DALj8-L9VJf8%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

> Says absolutely nothing that counts as evidence.

> His personal experience of witnessing is not demonstratable and he can’t be shown that he isn’t lying.

> He has a lot of motivation to lie.

> Says to ignore evidence that contradicts christianity.

> Says that evidence is not important, which proves that everything Craig says outside of this really is meaningless.

> Says to fear Satan for which there is no evidence of, but evidence against:

http://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/the-truth-about-the-devil-exposing-satan-lucifer/

– Religious people simply can’t deal with the vulnerability in their thinking that has been conditioned and are aware of the flaws.

> Lying and misleading are simply an effect due to denial, because they can’t even slightly entertain the alternative in their mind.

– Ever hear a religious person ever admit the flaws?

> Ever wonder why not?

– Ever get one that admits the truth that they can’t deal with the alternative?

> Ever wonder why not?

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Religion is psychological enslavement.

Religion is manipulation and mindgames.

Religion is about being rewired and conditioned to think a certain way, or not think a certain way.

Religion is about lying and not having any other alternative but lying.

If you don’t see that religion is about lying and deception then you aren’t asking them to expose their lies as not untrue.

If you don’t see that religion is just about lying then you are just letting them deflect and not pushing the issues.

If you don’t see that religion is about lying then you really gotta start opening your eyes.

@Selfexaminelife Speaks His Mind

So I have been kindly given this Twitter response from @Selfexaminelife for some of my currently being put together research project on brainwashing views in regard to religion and religious brainwashing.

He was kind enough to take the time and the trouble to do so, while many others would prefer to just stick to repeatedly asking for definitions over and over and tell me I don’t understand things, while not completely grasping what I’m trying to say themselves.

I make some responses below to Alex’s response a section at a time if you just keep scrolling down.

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So “Alex” writes via Twitlonger:

Apologies for this taking as long as it has (I’m preparing to leave the country for five weeks).

“U failed to mention how a belief in a specific religion that has no evidence & makes no sense could be believed rationally.

There’s a bit to unpack here so let’s take it one bit at a time. I imagine we’re going to disagree on a few things, so I’d like to begin with how I conceive of what ‘evidence’ for something is.

For something to count as evidence for X, it has to make it more likely that X is true. This is called the ‘positive account of evidence’. Where a lot of people get tripped up is in the idea that there can’t be evidences for things which aren’t true.

Suppose you and I are standing in a desert 5,000 years ago. As far as the eye can see, the Earth is flat. I climb the highest sand dune I can find, and the Earth still looks flat in every direction either of us looks. You and I have never been more than say, 100km from the spot that we were born. A rational inference we can draw from these experiences is that the Earth is flat. Our observations of the Earth are our evidence, and our evidence indicates that the Earth is flat. We’re wrong – clearly – but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be justified in believing that we’re correct. In fact, we’d be completely unjustified to believe that the Earth wasn’t flat, given how it obviously looks flat and we have no reason to conclude otherwise. If we lived near an ocean and had a tall-masted sailboat, or could climb a tall mountain, then the curvature of the Earth would become obvious and our new evidence would make our belief in a flat Earth unjustified.

So, given this account of evidence, it seems false to me to say that there is “no evidence” for the truth of any particular religion. There’s plenty of evidence. If someone has a personal experience of God, or the stars align and holy scripture makes a claim about the world that turns out to be true, that’s evidence for the truth of that religion. But these evidences have to be weighed not just in favour of the God hypothesis, but in favour of any and every other hypothesis too. And unfortunately for the religious believer it’s pretty crap evidence – but even crap evidence is evidence.

And I’d like to flag that I don’t consider the only possible kind of evidence to be empirical evidence (that which comes from science). Evidence from the logical sphere is just as relevant to whether something exists, given a particular definition of that thing.

“U failed to mention how a [it] could be believed rationally”

I’d like the flag the word ‘rationally’ here. To believe something rationally is just to believe it for a good reason. That is, your belief in X is in some way justified, and not just picked out of thin air, a product of wishful thinking, or based on any other bad reason. But this means that people on opposite sides of an issue can in principle *both be rationally justified in holding contrary beliefs*.
Example: Suppose I’m on a flight that crashes in a dense jungle. As the plane is going down, I am blown out door and by some miracle manage to fall through the canopy and land without a scratch. Meanwhile, the plane crashes 10km away, killing everyone else left on board. Our plane contained no parachutes. Surveyors of the crash would have every reason to believe that I was dead. Yet I – running from jungle cats and swatting giant mosquitos all day long – would have every reason to believe I was still alive. We’re both rationally justified in believing the opposite of one another.

Now you might object here, and say that both parties in the last example don’t have access to the same evidence. That’s true, but it doesn’t undermine the illustrated point. Suppose both parties have access to the same evidence: would they then have to have the same opinion in order to be rationally justified by the evidence? Not necessarily. And the reason why is because of our differing background knowledge (also called our ‘prior assessment’).

Let’s take the mind-body problem as an example. Most naturalists agree that the mind is not a thing in and of itself, but it’s something that a working brain ‘does’. Kind of like how a working GI tract ‘does’ digestion. We’re currently unable to give a naturalistic account of how exactly a brain generates experiences that are perceived ‘from the inside’ by an observer, but we’re confident (well, some are) that there will be an explanation for this in the future.

Notice I said ‘most’ naturalists, and not all. There are some naturalists (people who think the universe is all that there is, and that the supernatural doesn’t exist) who think that an entirely physical account of the mind is impossible. These people go by the name of ‘pan-psychists’. It’s their view that all matter in the universe has two kinds of properties: physical properties (like charge, spin, mass, etc) and mental properties (content, ‘aboutness’, and consciousness). When a sufficiently complex information processing machine evolves, higher level physical phenomena (tissues, organs, and organisms) are created, so too are higher level mental phenomena, like minds. On their view, minds are built out of little atomic ‘mind properties’ of particles in the same way that physical objects are built out of atomic physical properties of particles.

I assume that you are a physicalist – as most atheists are – meaning you think the universe is entirely physical, and there is no ‘mental stuff’ that can’t be reduced to the physical in some way, and certainly no supernatural stuff.

Now here’s the crucial point: pan-psychists and physicalists both have the exact same evidence at their disposal for coming to their conclusions, and both have (what each considers) good arguments in favour of their position being the right one. The only difference between the two is that pan-psychists think it is more reasonable to account for minds by appealing to a new kind of natural property – an atomic mental property – and physicalists think it’s reasonable that we don’t need to appeal to such a thing to explain minds. Now I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of each position and the various arguments for them (look up Frank Jackson’s ‘Mary’s Room’ argument or Chalmers’ ‘philosophical zombie’ argument for the pan-psychists), but neither side of clearly and obviously wrong here. Pan-psychists have just one more entity in their final list of ‘things that exist fundamentally’. Someone might say we should use Occam’s Razor and cut it away, but Occam’s razor doesn’t necessarily apply. It only says to ‘not multiply entities beyond necessity’. But what determines what is necessary here? Maybe mental properties are necessary for explaining minds. I don’t know that they aren’t. We can’t decide that they aren’t ahead of time without begging the question in favour of physicalism. So both sides are seemingly rationally justified in believing that they are correct, on the same evidence. Only the introduction of new evidence has the potential to decide who is right.

So now we can turn to belief in a god. I’m willing to grant you that most religious believers are products of social influence and ‘it’s what my parents taught me was true’. I wouldn’t go as far as calling it brainwashing though, as that term has a lot of emotive baggage attached to it. Furthermore, it’s actually really hard to indoctrinate a child into a belief system that they will be unlikely to leave in the future. To do it properly you have to completely surround them with the same narrative, and keep any alternative narratives away from them for at least their first ten years of life. That’s exceedingly difficult to do without home schooling, and without heavily restricting kids’ access to the Internet. It’s clearly not the case that the majority of religious believers are the product of this kind of upbringing, so it seems to me that ‘brainwashing’ is not just overly emotive, but factually inaccurate.

What about those religious believers who believe they have analysed the arguments for and against the existence of God, and they believe they’ve chosen correctly? As you’ve correctly stated with reference to some popular apologists, often their reasoning is poor, but packaged so well that the average believer (or even an above-average seeker) won’t notice the logical flaws or hidden assumptions. Other times their reasoning can be perfect but start from false or circular premises. Hell, most (atheistic) skeptics aren’t even capable of recognising a valid argument, let alone a sound one, and they’re – allegedly – meant to be the more rational population. Arguments like the Kalam require a lot of knowledge of cutting edge physics to accurately explain why they are wrong, probably too much for the average person to possess unless they go out of their way to learn it.

But that’s the average believer. Let’s take the best case: a university educated believer. Preferably one well versed in philosophy and formal logic. Can this person, let’s call him Dave, rationally believe in a creator god? For my own money, I think the answer is … maybe. Deism is more likely than theism, but even deism is less likely than naturalism purely because naturalism supposes that fewer entities exist (like physicalism against pan-psychism).

Every explanation ends in one of three places: 1) infinite regress, 2) circularity, or 3) brute fact. They’re all shitty places to end up, but they’re all we have. And as far as the creation of the universe goes, I don’t see why a brute fact (god, or Nature) is any more preferable than an infinite regress of causes forever and ever into the infinite past. Without decisive or even suggestive evidence to lean in one of the three directions, which explanation people prefer is going to be a matter of personal preference, and their own psychological history (yes, that includes non-believers too). Personally I think deism is unreasonable because the supernatural seems incoherent to me, and a naturalistic creator doesn’t fit the definition of any god I’d recognise.

To me, the stories of the world religions are too full of inconsistencies and incoherence to stand up on their own. But suppose Dave *did* believe that Christianity spread faster than any other religion in history. And suppose he *did* believe that they had had a personal experience with a divine presence. And suppose he *did* believe he’d found wisdom in holy scripture (while ignoring all the ugly parts). Dave would have prima facie (plausible) reasons to believe Christianity was true (*IF* we supposed all the above was true, or at least ambiguous). Even a well-educated Christian theist like Dave can be completely rational, and yet still be wrong because his premises are false.

But then, so can a well-educated atheist. So we shouldn’t feel too superior.”

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Now I’m not looking to debate Alex here and am without any hostile intent (since he’s one of the few twitter “philosophers” I havent butted heads with and has always been somewhat courteous to me) and am going to show an attempt at showing respect and being nice here.

I will however comment on some of the things he said.

Now I will go over the questions that I posted that Alex was addressing and responding to from my blog here:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/questions/

These questions were:

1) Is religion just brainwashing

2) Why/why not?

3) How can someone become religious other than brainwashing?

4) Explain?
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So let’s just comment on a few points:

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Apologies for this taking as long as it has (I’m preparing to leave the country for five weeks).
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– I can relate and am very busy myself and appreciate the fact that he did at least do as he said he would do.
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“U failed to mention how a belief in a specific religion that has no evidence & makes no sense could be believed rationally”

There’s a bit to unpack here so let’s take it one bit at a time. I imagine we’re going to disagree on a few things, so I’d like to begin with how I conceive of what ‘evidence’ for something is.
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I seem to get this a lot from people about “definitions” of terms and though people on twitter keep asking for these definitions they really don’t change what it is that I’m asking for. I’m still asking for the same things.
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For something to count as evidence for X, it has to make it more likely that X is true. This is called the ‘positive account of evidence’. Where a lot of people get tripped up is in the idea that there can’t be evidences for things which aren’t true.
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– Alex has a realy great point here that people generally have the interpretation that things can’t be evidence for things that aren’t true.

– As an Atheist myself I have no belief in gods, but have a firm understanding that no religion is true based on the EVIDENCE against religions.

> Though I’ve studied christianity thoroughly and what I have discovered about islam, there are religions like hindu and various Aboriginal religions I have not, but just seemed to not be taken seriously due to their obvious absurdity.

> I suppose a genuine study of others, besides the ones I’m familiar with are in due time to be studied.
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Suppose you and I are standing in a desert 5,000 years ago. As far as the eye can see, the Earth is flat. I climb the highest sand dune I can find, and the Earth still looks flat in every direction either of us looks. You and I have never been more than say, 100km from the spot that we were born. A rational inference we can draw from these experiences is that the Earth is flat. Our observations of the Earth are our evidence, and our evidence indicates that the Earth is flat. We’re wrong – clearly – but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be justified in believing that we’re correct. In fact, we’d be completely unjustified to believe that the Earth wasn’t flat, given how it obviously looks flat and we have no reason to conclude otherwise. If we lived near an ocean and had a tall-masted sailboat, or could climb a tall mountain, then the curvature of the Earth would become obvious and our new evidence would make our belief in a flat Earth unjustified.
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So let’s examine this for a minute.

a) Having limited knowledge of something is not brainwashing if it’s based on known scientific facts.

b) Being shown evidence the Earth is round is another thing, especially if the person has full access to the information and is not restricted to the access of how that information was aquired.

c) If someone is forcefed something about nature they are NOT mentally restricted to refuse to listen to new evidence, especially if they can find it for themselves.

d) If the people refuse to accept a scientific fact that disproves something else that is science or nature related, that actually could be interpretted as brainwashing.

– Such as the Flat Earth Society.

d) If information is available however, but people refuse to listen, or examine true evidence because they are set in their ways of thinking then you actually could call that “brainwashing”.

– They have been mentally conditioned to think something and the conditioning has gone so deep that their acceptance cannot be changed.

– Would this apply to everyone? No, of course, some people would be able to grasp the truth and accept evidence.

– Those who wouldn’t accept the evidence would be considered “brainwashed” to their old ways.
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So, given this account of evidence, it seems false to me to say that there is “no evidence” for the truth of any particular religion. There’s plenty of evidence. If someone has a personal experience of God, or the stars align and holy scripture makes a claim about the world that turns out to be true, that’s evidence for the truth of that religion. But these evidences have to be weighed not just in favour of the God hypothesis, but in favour of any and every other hypothesis too. And unfortunately for the religious believer it’s pretty crap evidence – but even crap evidence is evidence.
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a) A misinterpretation of science, or nature is not the same as having a delusional belief of a religion that makes no sense and has no evidence.

b) A personal experience of god is not evidence of any kind.

– Especially if they never reveal it to us.

– Especially if it can be simply attributed to chance.

– Especially if there is no way to even prove a personal experience even happened.

– Especially if the individual is in a vulnerable state where anything and everything could be interpretted as a “sign” or personal experience.

c) A belief in “God” is not brainwashing, but a simple opinion and nothing more.

– A specific belief in a religion is brainwashing due to the fact that there is no evidence to religions having any truth.

– A specific belief in a religion is brainwashing because it takes mental conditioning from child indoctrination to force a belief, or to exploit emotionally vulnerable people.

d) To believe crap evidence is “actually evidence” relies on brainwashing too.

– Being brainwashed is what causes the religious victim to think that the crap evidence IS evidence.

– If someone isn’t brainwashed then they will be able to see the rational view that the crap evidence really isn’t evidence of anything.

– Believing crap evidence of a religion, is brainwashing if someone has been conditioned and misled to believe the crap evidence is actually evidence.

e) A celebrity stalker can genuinely believe that the celebrity is telepathically communicating with them.

– This is not evidence that the celebrity was doing so, especially if the celebrity claims to have no knowledge of their stalkers existence and is seriously grossed out and disgusted by the person.
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And I’d like to flag that I don’t consider the only possible kind of evidence to be empirical evidence (that which comes from science). Evidence from the logical sphere is just as relevant to whether something exists, given a particular definition of that thing.
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a) Again if someone simply believes in a god’s existence is not brainwashing, or relevant.

b) There are genuine reasons why to not believe a religion.

c) There is nothing about any religion that has any truth, or makes any sense.

d) To believe the “crap evidence” that really isn’t evidence of anything, takes brainwashing.
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“U failed to mention how a [it] could be believed rationally”

I’d like the flag the word ‘rationally’ here. To believe something rationally is just to believe it for a good reason. That is, your belief in X is in some way justified, and not just picked out of thin air, a product of wishful thinking, or based on any other bad reason. But this means that people on opposite sides of an issue can in principle *both be rationally justified in holding contrary beliefs*.
Example: Suppose I’m on a flight that crashes in a dense jungle. As the plane is going down, I am blown out door and by some miracle manage to fall through the canopy and land without a scratch. Meanwhile, the plane crashes 10km away, killing everyone else left on board. Our plane contained no parachutes. Surveyors of the crash would have every reason to believe that I was dead. Yet I – running from jungle cats and swatting giant mosquitos all day long – would have every reason to believe I was still alive. We’re both rationally justified in believing the opposite of one another.

Now you might object here, and say that both parties in the last example don’t have access to the same evidence. That’s true, but it doesn’t undermine the illustrated point. Suppose both parties have access to the same evidence: would they then have to have the same opinion in order to be rationally justified by the evidence? Not necessarily. And the reason why is because of our differing background knowledge (also called our ‘prior assessment’).
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Right, however there is a big reason why this is not brainwashing as compared to religion.

a) There is nothing unrealistic, or implausible that either side is experiencing.

b) Neither view from either perspective needs faith from a lack of evidence to believe their interpretation of what has happened.

– The evidence of your being alive is real for you.

– Everyone else is aware that the evidence of you being alive is highly unlikely to impossible.

– If they notice your body missing eventually at some point, then they would weigh different possibilities of what happened to it.

– Some of those possibilities would be that you were somehow alive.

c) If the belief was that demons from hell destroyed the plane and took your body to hell, then that would be evidence of brainwashing.

– No evidence of demons from hell attacking planes, taking people to hell, or even existing.

– It would be a belief that was believed by brainwashing from a mental conditioning.
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Let’s take the mind-body problem as an example. Most naturalists agree that the mind is not a thing in and of itself, but it’s something that a working brain ‘does’. Kind of like how a working GI tract ‘does’ digestion. We’re currently unable to give a naturalistic account of how exactly a brain generates experiences that are perceived ‘from the inside’ by an observer, but we’re confident (well, some are) that there will be an explanation for this in the future.

Notice I said ‘most’ naturalists, and not all. There are some naturalists (people who think the universe is all that there is, and that the supernatural doesn’t exist) who think that an entirely physical account of the mind is impossible. These people go by the name of ‘pan-psychists’. It’s their view that all matter in the universe has two kinds of properties: physical properties (like charge, spin, mass, etc) and mental properties (content, ‘aboutness’, and consciousness). When a sufficiently complex information processing machine evolves, higher level physical phenomena (tissues, organs, and organisms) are created, so too are higher level mental phenomena, like minds. On their view, minds are built out of little atomic ‘mind properties’ of particles in the same way that physical objects are built out of atomic physical properties of particles.

I assume that you are a physicalist – as most atheists are – meaning you think the universe is entirely physical, and there is no ‘mental stuff’ that can’t be reduced to the physical in some way, and certainly no supernatural stuff.
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Hmmm Well that isn’t entirely true, but let’s explain my take on things.

a) I have experienced things I cannot explain, but that does not mean that they cannot be explained.

– Giant black snakes in the middle of nowhere (3 times).

– A life after death experience.

– A dream I had where something was predicted and it happened a few days later.

b) I simply see that the universe does not need a god to exist, or have created it, or that there is no evidence for a god and that all evidence points to a god not existing.

c) I was an agnostic for many years simply because I did not know things about the universe.

– I was agnostic because I just knew that all religions were lies because of evidence I seen and the fact that no religion made any sense.

d) There are things I can’t explain, but I at least can give rational possibilities for them.

– The chances of the explanations being right are high, but at least they are plausible.

e) To believe religions that do not involve the plausible or explainable and have no evidence is absolutely brainwashing.

– To reject plausible explanations and substitute them for religious supernatural and implausible ones without evidence is evidence of being brainwashed and nothing else.
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Now here’s the crucial point: pan-psychists and physicalists both have the exact same evidence at their disposal for coming to their conclusions, and both have (what each considers) good arguments in favour of their position being the right one. The only difference between the two is that pan-psychists think it is more reasonable to account for minds by appealing to a new kind of natural property – an atomic mental property – and physicalists think it’s reasonable that we don’t need to appeal to such a thing to explain minds. Now I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of each position and the various arguments for them (look up Frank Jackson’s ‘Mary’s Room’ argument or Chalmers’ ‘philosophical zombie’ argument for the pan-psychists), but neither side of clearly and obviously wrong here. Pan-psychists have just one more entity in their final list of ‘things that exist fundamentally’. Someone might say we should use Occam’s Razor and cut it away, but Occam’s razor doesn’t necessarily apply. It only says to ‘not multiply entities beyond necessity’. But what determines what is necessary here? Maybe mental properties are necessary for explaining minds. I don’t know that they aren’t. We can’t decide that they aren’t ahead of time without begging the question in favour of physicalism. So both sides are seemingly rationally justified in believing that they are correct, on the same evidence. Only the introduction of new evidence has the potential to decide who is right.
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What both pan-phychists and physicalists have in common is that they are giving an opinion on something that can’t be proven, but both have rational reasons to have their opinions.

a) Neither one is brainwashed because there is nothing to disprove what they have interpretted as untrue and they both have rational reasons to believe what they have assessed to be true.

b) A belief in a god ISN’T even irrational, or brainwashing if the person feels that that is the rational reason for creating a universe based on the information they have, which would imply that they do not have all the information.

– A belief in a god is just an opinion and rather harmless, unless it involves a religion, which is brainwashing and harmful in general.

– Religion attempts to piggy-back deism.

c) If a hypothetical god did exist and created the universe there is nothing to suggest it would care about anyone.

– Nothing to suggest that a hypothetical god is truly even omnipotent.

– Nothing to suggest that a hypothetical god even would be aware of our existence.

– Nothing to suggest a hypothetical god would even be immortal, or exist anymore.

– There is evidence that all religions are lies and that the gods mentioned in them would not be the one and only “god” that I am hypothetically referring.
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So now we can turn to belief in a god. I’m willing to grant you that most religious believers are products of social influence and ‘it’s what my parents taught me was true’. I wouldn’t go as far as calling it brainwashing though, as that term has a lot of emotive baggage attached to it. Furthermore, it’s actually really hard to indoctrinate a child into a belief system that they will be unlikely to leave in the future. To do it properly you have to completely surround them with the same narrative, and keep any alternative narratives away from them for at least their first ten years of life. That’s exceedingly difficult to do without home schooling, and without heavily restricting kids’ access to the Internet. It’s clearly not the case that the majority of religious believers are the product of this kind of upbringing, so it seems to me that ‘brainwashing’ is not just overly emotive, but factually inaccurate.
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Ok this is where things got a little way off here and why I felt a response on this blog was definitely necessary.

a) Social influence is brainwashing.

– It’s what brainwashes people to become bigots and homophobes.

– If many people that are socialized with have the same view as each other and the view is false, but strongly believed, then that is definitely brainwashing if those false beliefs are passed on, or enforced in the individuals mind.

b) When Alex says “emotive baggage” is another way of saying my term “brainwashed through being exploited while being in an emotionally vulnerable state”.

c) It isn’t hard to keep someone indoctrinated in system where it is unlikely to leave in the future.

– I really have no idea what justification Alex has in saying this.

– No disrespect Alex but have you seen Islamic countries, or is the media and internet feeding me false information?

– Again, no disrespect but has anyone heard of the biblebelt? (pretty isolated from secular views wouldn’t you say?)

d) Those first ten years of life to mentally enslave them to religion and to teach them to reject conflicting evidence are a piece of cake.

– Why wouldn’t they be?

– Especially easy if they don’t know a single Atheist and don’t hear anything that isn’t media brainwashing from sources like FOX News.

e) The internet is meaningless if they are mentally conditioned to disregard and ignore everything that disproves their religion.

– Also meaningless if they can’t distinguish simple opinion in a god existing, from a religion that has no evidence.

– If they have been mentally conditioned to be psychologically addicted to religions and psychologically incapable of dealing with the truth, then the internet is not going to change their mind.

– If anything the internet will only strengthen their religion by giving them lots of misleading religious websites that they can visit that they will get biased and truth discouraging information from.

f) Again not being disrespectful here but the thought that:

“It’s clearly not the case that the majority of religious believers are the product of this kind of upbringing, so it seems to me that ‘brainwashing’ is not just overly emotive, but factually inaccurate”

…..was a little surprising to read that.

– I can vouch that that is how I was brought up and all my religious friends growing up.

– I did not know a single non-religious person until when I turned 14 and became agnostic and even then that is not until I did research.

– Brainwashing exists Alex and if you don’t believe me then why don’t you do as I have and do some research and see for yourself.

– See what the experts say and then maybe look a little further.

Maybe this might help you get stated:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/brainwashing-and-the-experts/

I put several references in there.

And should you think that religious brainwashing doesn’t exist:

https://thebuybulljournal.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/its-no-conspiracy-theory-religion-is-brainwashing-its-fact/
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What about those religious believers who believe they have analysed the arguments for and against the existence of God, and they believe they’ve chosen correctly? As you’ve correctly stated with reference to some popular apologists, often their reasoning is poor, but packaged so well that the average believer (or even an above-average seeker) won’t notice the logical flaws or hidden assumptions. Other times their reasoning can be perfect but start from false or circular premises. Hell, most (atheistic) skeptics aren’t even capable of recognising a valid argument, let alone a sound one, and they’re – allegedly – meant to be the more rational population. Arguments like the Kalam require a lot of knowledge of cutting edge physics to accurately explain why they are wrong, probably too much for the average person to possess unless they go out of their way to learn it.
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There is much we agree on here:

a) Apologists (like ElijiahT and WLC) really aren’t saying anything.

– They are superimposing an unprovable belief in a god with a religion and nothing else.

– They are lying.

– They are misleading.

– They are telling people what they want to hear and nothing else.

– They are preying (not praying) on people who are emotionally and mentally vulnerable.

b) I agree with what was said about Atheists not knowing arguments.

– I had no idea I was going to be a counter apologist when I came on Twitter.

– I just knew there was no truth to the bible or any religion and that people are brainwashed and were ignoring sound science.

– I didn’t even know what philosophy was and was in disbelief of how religious people use it to deflect, lie, mislead and timewaste.

– It’s a learning experience.

c) It took a while to figure out that deism and religious belief are 2 seperate things and that believers super imposing the 2 in arguments is silly and that they need to prove their religion and why they believe it alone.

d) Religious believers have their whole life to collect arguments to deflect, mislead and lie about.

– Atheists like me who decide to take up counter apologetics way late in life can be completely mind-blown about the ridiculous things that are said by believers and really not prepared.
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But that’s the average believer. Let’s take the best case: a university educated believer. Preferably one well versed in philosophy and formal logic. Can this person, let’s call him Dave, rationally believe in a creator god? For my own money, I think the answer is … maybe. Deism is more likely than theism, but even deism is less likely than naturalism purely because naturalism supposes that fewer entities exist (like physicalism against pan-psychism).
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Well there are several who went to school and became Atheists.

– Bart Ehrman
– Matt Dilahunty
– Hector Avalos

While people like Wiliiam Lane Craig and Gary Habermas who just learned how to deceive people and nothing else.

Since there is no evidence of Jesus and it is taught by the majority of scholars that the gospels really do have no backing of evidence, that lying and misleading people really is all they can learn to do.
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Every explanation ends in one of three places: 1) infinite regress, 2) circularity, or 3) brute fact. They’re all shitty places to end up, but they’re all we have. And as far as the creation of the universe goes, I don’t see why a brute fact (god, or Nature) is any more preferable than an infinite regress of causes forever and ever into the infinite past. Without decisive or even suggestive evidence to lean in one of the three directions, which explanation people prefer is going to be a matter of personal preference, and their own psychological history (yes, that includes non-believers too). Personally I think deism is unreasonable because the supernatural seems incoherent to me, and a naturalistic creator doesn’t fit the definition of any god I’d recognise.
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I don’t particularly care if someone is just a deist, though I completely don’t agree with it.

– Religion takes mental conditioning from child indoctrination, or being caught in an emotionally vulnerable state.

– Religion is brainwashing due to a belief in non-existent and false facts that take mental manipulation to be believed.
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To me, the stories of the world religions are too full of inconsistencies and incoherence to stand up on their own. But suppose Dave *did* believe that Christianity spread faster than any other religion in history. And suppose he *did* believe that they had had a personal experience with a divine presence. And suppose he *did* believe he’d found wisdom in holy scripture (while ignoring all the ugly parts). Dave would have prima facie (plausible) reasons to believe Christianity was true (*IF* we supposed all the above was true, or at least ambiguous). Even a well-educated Christian theist like Dave can be completely rational, and yet still be wrong because his premises are false.
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What exactly would be rational?

a) His brainwashing is what would cause Dave to ignore the explanations and counters to everything.

– Constantine and Eusebius are responsible for the spread of christianity so fast.

b) His brainwashing would be what deluded him to believe he had a personal experience.

– Aswell as what would cause him to reject plausible explanations.

– Aswell as what would cause him to interpret anything and everything as “a personal experience”.

c) His brainwashing would cause him to tell people things are evidence that he knows non-believers would not count as evidence but he will tell them it is anyway.

d) If he was unable to see the bad parts in the bible and only seen the good then that actually is evidence of brainwashing.

– Similar to how the Manson family only seen the good in murdering the 2 families and not the bad.

e) There’s nothing rational about being brainwashed to religion.

– You need to be brainwashed to justify any factor in believing.

– People can not be religious unless they have been brainwashed to religion.

– If religious people weren’t brainwashed then religion would not exist.

f) To think that someone wasn’t brainwashed because they came to a rationalization and became an Atheist is ridiculous.

– They were once brainwashed to religion but were one of the lucky ones to escape it.
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But then, so can a well-educated atheist. So we shouldn’t feel too superior.
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Maybe not superior, but we can feel lucky.

I’m lucky to not be the slave of a lie anymore and lucky to not be the slave of a lie for over 30 years.

I’m lucky to not be infecting others and lucky to not be destroying the world and not realizing it.

I’m lucky to not be in a country where I am put to death for being an Atheist.
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Anyways Alex, I wanted to thank you for your words, they were really appreciated and you spoke exactly what was on your mind and I found the feedback valuable for my project.

You have been more helpful than anyone thus far with getting simple little answers and you didn’t constantly waste my time with asking me for painfully obvious definitions over and over.

Please feel free to do a follow up to this. I would like that a lot and it has been a refreshing pleasure dealing with someone who wasn’t condescending and for once was just straight forward.

False Court Conviction Vs. Religious Brainwashing

Well in my recent study project of gathering information and trying to get answers and responses, I received a tweet from someone that seemed very full of themselves that felt it was an answer to some of my questions.

Here are the tweets they said word for word:

“Okay. If you think that all religion is brainwashing then surely you think that all false criminal convictions are as well?”

and

“Because both situations involve a misguided, but not unreasonable, appraisal of evidence, which leads to a false concluson.”

The contributor above is one of the delightful Atheists who defend religion that I write about so often.

He’s also part of a group of “philosophers” as they like to call themselves which consists of both Atheists and religious believers, I have nicknamed “The Philosophy Hall Of Doom” or (PHOD).
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My questions were pretty straight forward I thought:

1) Is religion just brainwashing?

2) Why/why not?

3) How can someone become religious other than brainwashing?

4) Explain?
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I keep getting horrible response after horrible response that claims they’ve answered and claimed that I’m wrong, but they never show either.

It seems that more effort is put into making it sound like they’ve answered and sound like I’m wrong, but nothing is ever really showed.

The fact is that I am simply asking simple questions which are not being answered and it seems quite obvious that somehow these questions are not being understood.

So let’s go through some of my points since I’m somehow not getting clear to people and then we’ll address the tweet specifically.

1) Children are child indoctrinated to religion.

2) They are programmed and mentally conditioned to deny evidence against their religion.

3) They are programmed and mentally conditioned to believe things without evidence and that makes no sense.

4) These religions that have no evidence, contradict themselves and have evidence against them, but are still believed (which is why they make no sense).

5) The argument of an intelligent designer is not the issue since it has nothing to do with religion and is nothing more than a belief in “deism”.

6) If someone is nothing more than a “deist” then they are NOT brainwashed, but instead are just believing something that is simply a choice which has no evidence, but it is just an OPINION, because that’s all it can ever be.

– It has no evidence for, or against but no belief, or background story.

7) If someone is religious though they are brainwashed, because the religions themselves have nothing that proves or connects them to any intelligent design, or god of reality (if it hypothetically did exist) they are simply nonsensical stories that have no evidence, but do have evidence against them.

8) To believe a religion when older from being an Atheist, the person has to be caught in a state of being emotionally vulnerable, which simply means that the person is willingly reaching out to be exploited and brainwashed.

9) The person can not become religious when older without having an emotional vulnerability to exploit.

10) There is no reason to become religious unless someone has an emotional vulnerability to exploit.

11) There is no rational reason to become religious unless they are brainwashed.

12) Whatever religion is convenient to the religious victim at the time of their emotional vulnerability will be clung on to by the victim.

13) This is nothing more than desperation and an acceptance of a reality that makes no sense, has no evidence and has no rational reason to be believed.

14) Brainwashing exists and it can’t be denied that it exists and there are several examples and documentation of religious brainwashing.

15) My point is that ALL religion is brainwashing and that all I am waiting and asking for is someone to explain how a rational person can become religous unless they are brainwashed?

16) Fear of death is just another example of being emotionally vulnerable to brainwashing.

17) Fear of not seeing someone again who has died is also brainwashing by being emotionally vulnerable.

18) By being child indoctrinated and programmed is undeniable that it’s brainwashing and embracing something due to an emotional vulnerability as a self defense mechanism for the mind is also brainwashing.

19) There are several methods of deception to believe things that have no evidence and make no sense and could not be believed by someone who does not have that vulnerability, or who has not been child indoctrinated.

20) Saying “that just because a religion does not make sense to YOU does not mean it doesn’t make sense” does not say how something with no evidence, contradicts itself and has evidence against it makes any sense.

21) Things make sense when:

– they have evidence

– don’t have hundreds of contradictions that contradict themselves

– don’t have evidence and science against them

– not part of a politically motivated scam that takes advantage of others.

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Now to deal with the point regarding false convictions.

“Okay. If you think that all religion is brainwashing then surely you think that all false criminal convictions are as well?”

and

“Because both situations involve a misguided, but not unreasonable, appraisal of evidence, which leads to a false concluson.”

So let’s address this the best we can….

1) A false conviction is a mistake that was made and this is too vague a statement that could be any number of circumstances and frankly is an irrelevant comparison.

2) It doesn’t say how someone could be religious without being brainwashed and simply changes the subject, but does not say how child indoctrination and being brainwashed when older through having a vulnerability being exploited are not true.

3) A mistake made by a judge, or a jury would simply mean that there was a mistake, or poorly done job, or the defendant was framed.

– If there was nothing but a motive to commit the crime and nothing else, they would simply be following the only evidence they have, which is the motive.

– Is there any evidence of any religion being true? No. No there isn’t.

4) There really is no comparison between laws combined with multiple mistakes and errors that have to do with reality based thinking, when compared to supernatural invisible entities with fake nonsensical stories, that have no evidence and the stories about them are disproven.

5) A false conviction deals with real possibilities that are only wrong simply because they are unfortunately for the defendent “wrong”, but you don’t doubt that they happened because they are plausible.

6) Religions are not plausible and can only be believed if somebody has had their head played with and brainwashed.

7) Any false conviction has the possibility of being true, otherwise it wouldn’t be believed to be true.

8) Take any religion though and any religious person and they will all say the same thing:

“My religion is real and makes sense”

“Every other religion isn’t real and makes no sense”

9) The last I checked, people have never been convicted because of supernatural evidence, unless it is a religion based supernatural believing court which actually would be brainwashing because of the religion involved, like when Allah wants people stoned for adultery.

10) So a wrongful conviction is based on reality based circumstances and believable possibilities, but a religion is not based on reality based circumstances, or any evidence whatsoever.

11) A wrongful conviction is not brainwashing because it deals with the possible and has logical circumstances that made it a conviction, even though it was wrong.

12) If correct evidence came forward to prove the defendent innocent later then it would not be ignored as evidence if the court wasn’t corrupt.

13) Religious brainwashing denies evidence that proves it wrong, while dismissing the fact that there is no evidence that proves it right.

14) Religious believers do not believe the evidence (generally) when it comes forward.

15) A wrongful conviction does not cause people to believe they will be guilty of thought crime if it isn’t believed.

16) Reality and the physics of the universe do not have to be warped in peoples minds to believe a false conviction, but they do in religious brainwashing.

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Anyway this is silly. There is no comparison to a wrongful conviction compared to religious brainwashing that either shows how being religious isn’t brainwashing and how you can be brainwashed without being religious.

Still waiting. I suppose I might never get an answer that actually answers, or an answer that says “you’re right” but let’s keep on trying.

Guess I’ll just keep enjoying being depicted as this crazy person who doesn’t know what he’s talking about though by the members of PHOD and just keep laughing as the religious philosophers keep egging the Atheist philosophers on that I don’t have a valid point here and using them as puppets.
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All religion is brainwashing.

Without religious brainwashing, religion would not exist.

This is the painful truth.

Yes I’m serious.

No I’m not a troll.

Questions

Ok I’m trying to put a study and report together and have some specifics on who and what I’m asking

These 3 types of people:

[1] Religious believers

[2] Atheists who understand religion is just brainwashing and nothing else

[3] Atheists who believe religion either isn’t brainwashing, or that there are other ways to become religious besides brainwashing
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Now the questions I want answered:

1) Is religion just brainwashing

2) Why/why not?

3) How can someone become religious other than brainwashing?

4) Explain?

Please tweet as many tweets with the answers to @BuybullJournal

Thanx

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