I was sent this article from christian apologist @ElijiahT on Twitter when I constantly insisted on him presenting me evidence of christianity being true.
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I’d been asking him for evidence of christianity being true on and off for almost a year and also evidence he wasn’t brainwashed to believe christianity since there is no evidence that christianity is true for the following reasons:
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a) There is no evidence of Jesus actually existing in the entire 1st century for which I already made him aware.
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– He was of course fully aware of all the above points being nothing but worthless, but continues to send an article from big-time misleading and dishonest apologist Jim Warners regarding all my mentioned Jesus “evidence” that I showed was discredited and debunked.
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b) The new testament is completely based on hearsay and NOT eyewitness accounts.
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c) The gospels were written only as early as 30, or probably 40 years later (Mark, Matthew and Luke) all the way to 65 to possibly even 80 years later (John) from the time Jesus was supposedly killed in 30-33 AD.
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d) Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not the authors of the gospels and the authors are unknown and don’t even claim to have been present for anything in them as you read them.
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e) The gospels completely contradict each other, even though both Matthew and Luke have been shown to be direct copies of Mark with several things added to the stories by whoever the authors felt like making up and adding.
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For a great expanded list of why there is no possible reason to believe the gospels, or Jesus were either credible, or real please read here:
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In response to my request for Elijiah to prove to me he isn’t brainwashed to his religion, he simply said “prove to me that YOU aren’t brainwashed”.
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I of course already did what he suggested months before and so I sent him the article regarding “Why Atheists can’t be brainwashed” to make him happy.
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a) There was no response to this until a day later when Elijiah was asked again by me “if he could prove he isn’t brainwashed now to his religion”.
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b) His only response was “I told you before that brainwashing is just ad hom”.
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c) This of course is nothing more than deflection and that deflection is a result of the fact that he can’t deny the facts that he is brainwashed to his religion.
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d) Elijiah’s silence speaks for itself. He knows for a fact that he has nothing and really has no logical reason for believing.
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Anyways, Elijiah as I said has sent me at least 2 requests on Twitter to address this post of his and having read it I can only think that he possibly created the article specifically to waste peoples time and then be amused that someone actually tried to make a reply to this meaningless and time wasting article.
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– Well call me a sucker then (sigh).
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– Call me dedicated too at least.
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Reminding everyone again that this article is Elijiah’s response to the request of asking him for evidence of Jesus and of christianity.
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Elijiah writes….
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Arguments and Evidence – Should an Argument Be Considered “Evidence”?
Posted by ElijiahT
Let me start this discussion with a conversation that I’ve had with a large handful of atheists. It goes a little like this:
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Me: “God exists”
Atheist: “I want evidence”
Me: “Define ‘evidence’ for me”
Atheist: “Facts or information indicating whether or not a belief is true”
Me: “I agree with that definition of evidence. Do you analyze arguments?”
Atheist: “An argument is not evidence”
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MY RESPONSE TO ELIJIAH:
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This is a complete waste of time reading this article of his and is nothing but deflection and he isn’t presenting anything in the form of evidence of Jesus being real, or christianity being true.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES…..
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So, the burning question here is:
What exactly is the relationship between evidence and arguments? ***
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First, lets start with definitions.
What is evidence?
What is an argument?
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MY RESPONSE:
This is of course Elijiah being completely pointless and merely saying the stupidest, most time wasting article he could possibly write in order to make Atheists reading this then insult him and then he can say “ad hom attack” which is of course supposed to be an excuse to not to addressing anything.
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He knows the answers we want are:
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a) Regarding Jesus being a real person who was God and omnipotent master of the universe and things that are believable and convincing proof regarding that.
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b) His reasons why he believes them when there is no proof Jesus is God, or even a real person.
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c) Why he believes reasons that have no proof and actually are shown to be meaningless and fake.
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d) How it really makes no sense in believing christianity over any other religion since there is no evidence of any of them being true.
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e) How the many many plausible and non-supernatural explanations of the new testament, the gospels and Jesus are impossible when there is no record of the supernatural and IMPOSSIBLE “magic” of God ever being true, or real.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES…..
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Evidence
Atheists always say they want evidence for God’s existence, and rightfully so. But what is evidence? There are a lot of really interesting articles on the nature of evidence, but lets just look at 3 sources.
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MY RESPONSE:
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a) I unfortunately have to partly agree with Elijiah here, but only because of my experience that proving/disproving God, or even “gods” like the original Hebrew Genesis say created the Earth, are quite pointless.
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b) The existence, or non-existence of God, or gods are both unprovable.
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However there is no rational reason to believe that the God, or gods of ANY religion are:
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– True stories
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– Real beings
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– The creators of the universe
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– Omnipotent
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– Not complete fabrications made up when people didn’t know anything.
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– Only believed because of brainwashing and child indoctrination.
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– Caring about what anybody does, whether they are circumcised, who they sleep with, or if that God is loved by anyone.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy has a really interesting article, check it out. In an epistemological sense, evidence is considered to play a role in justification for a particular belief.
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I RESPOND:
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Yes I will agree again with Elijiah. Please check out the link he is suggesting on how it contains not one word about how anything he claims as evidence for Jesus, or his entire religion being real in any way, shape, or form is backed up by the article.
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Let’s go through a list of the things his article is suggesting:
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a) “Evidence has to be relevant to justify belief”
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– Since there is nothing to back up christianity as being real then it isn’t relevant, so Elijiah is empty on this point.
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– Strong evidence christianity is completely fictious however, so again confirming that the evidence is not relevant.
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b) “Arguably, then, an understanding of evidence is vital for appreciating the two dominant objects of epistemological concern, namely, knowledge and justified belief”.
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– Does Elijiah have any knowledge about Jesus being real that is supported by facts and shows that Jesus was even a real person? No and he knows that.
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– Of course Elijiah is more than happy to send people his evidence that he knows is worthless and Atheists have shown him how it’s worthless multiple times, but he’ll keep sending the same Jim Warner articles.
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– Does Elijiah have any knowledge of proof that the bible is unreliable? Yes, but he won’t admit it, even though  Atheists constantly show Elijiah and he is fully aware of the points and discrediting facts they present.
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– Does Elijiah have a justified belief? No he doesn’t.
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– There is nothing to verify that Jesus was even a real person, nothing to verify that Jesus was/is God, Nothing to verify that anything in the new testament ever even happened.
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– There is nothing to prove that Elijiah isn’t brainwashed and psychologically manipulated to believe things without evidence and mentally conditioned to dismiss, deny and ignore evidence that what Elijiah believes isn’t real.
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– We know full well that brainwashing is real and brainwashing happens in religions and is witnessed in things outside of religion.
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– What Elijiah won’t provide is how he is any different.
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c) “Evidence confirms, or refutes scientific theory”.
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– There is nothing scientific about christianity, last time I checked.
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– There is nothing scientific that supports christianity either.
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– There is nothing that confirms anything scientific about christianity except psychological sciences (brainwashing).
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d) “In philosophy, evidence has been taken to consist of such things as experiences, propositions, observation-reports, mental states, states of affairs, and even physiological events, such as the stimulation of one’s sensory surfaces.”
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– EXPERIENCES in philosophy are counted as evidence? Seriously? Well then I guess this must mean that evidence that is completely unprovable and can be both fabricated and delusion filled are “evidence” also.
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– Obviously THAT “evidence” is the same as evidence that is equal to ZERO. Like Zero is a number.
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– I’m sure that a man in court saying his experiences of people telepathically telling him that he had to cut their heads off or he would turn into shaving cream, wouldn’t really be taken seriously of anything other than mental illness.
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– An experience that isn’t real can only be counted as “false evidence”.
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– The muslims who flew planes into the World Trade Center buildings had similar “experiences” that christians feel.
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e) A PROPOSITION is counted as evidence in philosophy? WTF?
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– Alright, well I’m reading this, but I am in awe that I am seeing what I am seeing. I almost feel like I am being bullied into accepting something because it’s written in some book (a book based on logic that I find to be illogical). I truly am questioning my sanity.
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– Well in that case, my proposition that religious belief is nothing more than brainwashing cancels out Elijiah’s propostion since I can prove brainwashing is real, but Elijiah can’t prove a single thing about his religion being based on anything that is real.
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f) OBSERVATION REPORTS as evidence.
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– Well that leaves christianity out since there is nothing reliable, credible, or proven not to be fake.
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– Another dud from Elijiah’s reference book and giving christianity any credibility.
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g) MENTAL STATES as evidence?
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– Well if Elijiah would ever quit deflecting and actually tell me what goes on in his head and honestly told me what was going on in his head that made him become christian in the first place, then I would have evidence AGAINST Elijiah and he knows that.
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– If it is suggesting that a person’s mental state is evidence well I guess I have to agree with Elijiah because that really is true.
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– Religion is caused by brainwashing, child indoctrination, or being mentally taken advantage of when compromised through being emotionally vulnerable.
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h) PHYSIOLOGICAL EVENTS are evidence? Really?
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– Unless the person vomits peasoup and their head spins, then this, like the “experience” reference are nothing more than false evidence.
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– Like brainwashing and being delusioned are not evidence for anything other than being brainwashed and delusioned.
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– There is no physiological evidence FOR christianity, only AGAINST it.
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i) “Can all of these count as evidence? Few would think so, and basic principles of parsimony seem to militate against it”
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– First let’s see what “parsimony” means in the dictionary:
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“Parsimony is defined as extreme frugality or the use of extreme caution in spending money”.
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– So from the above statement it’s saying that using the mentioned pieces of “philosophical evidence” mentioned in d-h above aren’t even to be taken seriously.
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– Great reference book Elijiah I hope the rest of the reference books are as good as this one.
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– I actually like how Elijiah actually did prove himself right about the philosophical evidence, except that all the things he helped me find in his philosophical evidence all work AGAINST christianity.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES HIS REFERENCES…..
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Dictionary.reference.com defines evidence as “that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.”
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This is absurd and I can’t believe Elijiah gave this as a reference for HIS DEFENSE. I seriously feel like I must be losing my mind, or Elijiah is seriously this insane that this is any kind of mind blowing revelation.
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Let’s look at the whole thing and maybe we can see if Elijiah might actually have a point, or not.
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Here:
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“1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.”
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a) “That which tends to prove, or disprove something”
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– Nothing proves christianity.
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– I said how I’ve asked Elijiah for over a year and a half and he has failed to give me ANY evidence how christianity is true.
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– Many things disprove christianity however and quite overwhelmingly (I would list them here, but as it is this is going to be way too long).
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– Will simply put this old article here of just some of the evidence I’ve put together against it (I really gotta update it sometime since I’ve learned so much  more since I wrote that).
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b) “Ground for belief”
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– The only “ground for belief” of christianity are things that are false and untrue and that people have been deceived about.
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– There is no factual, or true grounds for belief of christianity.
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c) “Proof”.
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– There is no proof of christianity being real.
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– There is no proof Jesus was a real person.
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– There is no proof Jesus was divine in any way.
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– There is no proof that Jesus isn’t completely fabricated.
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– There is no proof that Jesus and christianity were not simply the method of one made up prophet of God (Moses) getting those ridiculous Jewish laws and the Jewish religion (Judaism) dismissed and replaced by another made up prophet of God (Jesus) with a new religion (christianity) and to demonize the Jewish people.
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– The proof of the above is that that is what actually happened and we can verify this by simply looking at history.
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d) “Something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign”.
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– There’s nothing clear about christianity.
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e) There is no indication of TRUTH in christianity.
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– It’s completely made from hearsay.
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– It contradicts itself.
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– It has no proof that any part of it is true.
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– It has many reasons to believe that christianity ISN’T true, but none that there is.
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f) There’s no visible evidence available.
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– There are only copies of copies of the gospels and many found with forgeries.
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– The fact that some of the greatest and well known writers of the area and of the time DIDN’T write about Jesus, is evidence that Jesus was merely fabricated fiction evolved with hearsay through the decades and centuries, just like christianity.
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g) There’s no testimoney from eyewitnesses.
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– The gospels were not eyewitness accounts in any way.
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– The writers of the gospels are not Mark, Matthew, Mark and John, but unknown people who never met Jesus and never knew any of the people mentioned in the stories and never claimed to.
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Bart Ehrman explains how there is no evidence for Jesus and the gospels and NO EYEWITNESSES:
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h) There’s no RECORDS.
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– The gospels are not reliable for many reasons.
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– Paul never met, or knew Jesus and there are too many reasons that make all Paul’s writings unreliable also.
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– Paul’s letters contradict the gospels and his vision of Jesus is no different than Joseph Smith’s (which Elijiah doesn’t believe) and of Mohammed and his angel (which Elijiah doesn’t believe).
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– There are only COPIES of Paul’s letters centuries later regardless and the earliest copies are from the early 3rd century (200 years later after the Jesus incident supposedly happened).
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i) The DOCUMENTS are the gospels and new testament and nothing else.
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– They have shown how unreliable they are.
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– The have shown how non-credible they are.
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– They have shown how untrustworthy they are.
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– I’m not repeating all the reasons since I know I’m going to get attacked for this article being way too long already as it is.
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j) No OBJECTS.
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– Nothing.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES HIS REFERENCES:
Oxforddictionaries.com defines evidence as “the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid”
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I RESPOND:
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WTF?! Alright, either Elijiah is insane, or somehow thinks he’s making a point, or I am insane!
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How is what he says here even a point at all? This is crazy! I’m sorry, but I can’t be nice about this.
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a) There NO EVIDENCE of anything in christianity being true.
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b) There’s no available body of facts that say that christianity is true.
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c) There’s an available body of facts that say christianity ISN’T true.
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– Especially how the whole concept of Jesus changed throughout history based on nothing but hearsay and forgeries.
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So there is another source that Elijiah has given that does nothing but work against him. Great job. Still waiting for him to state how he has any evidence.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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All of this together should give us a usable, uncontroversial definition of the word evidence. Evidence can be defined as the available body of facts or information which tends to prove or disprove something, usually associated with the justification for belief.
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I RESPOND:
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Ok hold on there. Hate to repeat, but I’ll make it quick.
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a) Uncontroversial? Oh no he din-ent!
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– At what point did Jesus become uncontroversial?
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– How did something with no evidence, based on myth and ENTIRELY on hearsay become uncontroversial?
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b) What available body of facts? I’ve been after Elijiah for almost a year and gotten nothing.
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– So there’s Elijiah lying again.
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c) How is this USABLE as it says above?
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– What actual proof and evidence can Elijiah use again of Jesus being real?
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– Last I checked it was NONE.
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– Again, having asked repeatedly to Elijiah for almost a year and gotten nothing given to me, I really would like to see this evidence he keeps mentioning.
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d) The only justification for Elijiah’s belief is that he was brainwashed to believe a delusion.
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– How he won’t disclose any information regarding what made him become a christian.
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– He always deflects when I try to push him for reasons for believing, but again I never get anything.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES HIS LYING….
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That definition of evidence seems to fit well with the three references used above, as well as our everyday understanding of evidence. We could get a lot deeper into this discussion (obviously), but it is not necessary for the goal of this post.
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I RESPOND:
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Obviously the goal of his post was to waste everyone’s time with useless facts that only work against him then, because that’s all they do.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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Argument
Now that we know what evidence is, what is an argument? The discussion on the nature of arguments is equally (or possible more) complex than the discussion of evidence, but we’re not going to go deeper than we have to. And, for the sake of consistency, I’ll use the same 3 sources.
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I RESPOND:
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Ok well he says he wants to use the same 3 sources. Sorry to feed you more of the same folks.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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And as a point of note, I am using the term argument in it’s technical sense; not synonymous with bickering or quarrelling.
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The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy has, again, a very interesting article on arguments. I’d encourage you to read it. Put very briefly, an argument is “a collection of truth-bearers … some of which are offered as reasons for one of them, the conclusion” and “a typical use of an argument is to rationally persuade its audience of the truth of the conclusion.”
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I RESPOND:
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WTF?! I think what blows my mind the most is the fact that I see these self proclaimed “philosophers” constantly saying how great he is at philosophy, yet all I see is a deflecting, time wasting liar who says absolutely nothing, but for some reason implies that he is saying something. Then I think it’s even more mind boggling that Elijiah’s rear end kissing Atheist philosopher buddies never mention any of this to him.
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a) A COLLECTION OF TRUTH-BEARERS? He seriously wrote that?
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– What collection?
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– Again I’ve been asking for almost a year and with Elijiah providing me nothing except stuff that uses the bible as evidence.
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b) “A TYPICAL USE OF AN ARGUMENT IS TO RATIONALLY PERSUADE IT’S AUDIENCE OF THE TRUTH OF THE CONCLUSION”
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– BWAHAHAHAHA Seriously?
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– How? By using the bible to prove the bible like Elijiah’s done in the past?
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– By giving no record of Jesus being true, or being divine in any way that is supported by anything?
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– By not proving that he isn’t brainwashed to just another religion that other people are brainwashed to?
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– By submitting me THIS webpage that I’m dissecting that he put together which is just a waste of time, a misdirection and completely devoid of any sort of indication of saying how christianity, or Jesus are based on any sort of truth? He hasn’t rationally persuaded anybody of anything other than the fact that he has nothing to offer of anything that remotely sounds like proof, or evidence.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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Dictionary.reference.com defines an argument as “a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point.”
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I RESPOND:
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a) An argument is not evidence if there is nothing of any significance, or contribution of truth, or fact.
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b) If I said “evidence for Elvis being alive was that people sometimes make deep fried peanut butter sandwiches and Elvis ate those” that isn’t evidence, that is me making a stupid statement and expecting to somehow make people accept that as an answer.
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– That is my argument for Elvis, but it is completely meaningless.
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– The new testament is completely non-credible and meaningless in multiple different ways.
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– Offering the new testament as evidence for the new testament, the gospels and Jesus is not an argument, but a complete waste of time and yet Elijiah keeps doing it.
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– There is not one single bit of evidence of Jesus and so Elijiah can’t give one single bit of evidence, he can only deflect and waste peoples time.
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MORE TIME WASTING FROM ELIJIAH….
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OxfordDictionaries.com defines an argument as “a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory”
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I RESPOND:
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a) This is too insane to be believed.
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– All of Elijiah’s REASONS, OR SETS OF REASONS are completely meaningless and pointless.
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– For some reason Elijiah thinks he can convince people that he is actually saying something, but in typical apologetics fashion he is showing us nothing and yet saying that he is.
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b) Nothing SUPPORTS AN IDEA that that what Elijiah is saying is real and yet Elijiah is suggesting there is, but never says what ACTUALLY supports anything about christianity whatsoever.
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– How does anything Elijiah says support anything he is saying? IT DOESN’T!
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– No proof Jesus was a real person.
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– No proof he came back from the dead.
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– No proof Jesus was/is God.
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– Strong evidence of forgeries.
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– Strong evidence the new testament was and IS politically and financially motivated.
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– Also whenever I see him actually show  anybody something, it’s stuff HE KNOWS is meaningless and stuff I’ve I’ve already shown him why it’s meaningless.
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– Again, the bible is not proof of the bible.
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c) His argument for his THEORY is based on faith and nothing else.
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– Faith is all Elijiah has.
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– He only has his faith because of brainwashing, which I can never get to the source of because deep down he knows he is brainwashed, or otherwise he would disclose personal information and details about when he became a christian, but he never does.
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– I will remind everyone that for almost a year I have asked Elijiah for details of evidence that convinced him to be a christian and he has provided me with nothing.
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– Though he will try to deflect and offer his “evidence” of ID and other things he tries to use that might support deism, but nothing regarding christianity.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES….
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All of this together should give us a usable, uncontroversial definition of the word “argument”. An argument can be defined as a collection of truth-bearing statements, reasons or facts used in support of an idea, theory or belief. Arguments are used to rationally persuade its audience of a particular conclusion.
Just like my definition of evidence, the discussion of arguments can go much, much deeper than this. But for the goal of this post, this definition works well.
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MY RESPONSE:
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It just never ends with Elijiah does it? This is ridiculous. The craziest part is that many people reading this are too stupid to even notice that he isn’t saying anything and so idiotic all they see is me insulting him. I just don’t get how people can not understand why I get annoyed with this.
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a) The reason I get annoyed is because Elijiah KNOWS he’s not saying anything and he KNOWS he’s lying and he thinks people are absolute imbeciles obviously, or he wouldn’t write such empty, meaningless, time wasting drivvel!
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b) Again he has NO TRUTH BEARING STATEMENTS!
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– So why does he keep saying he has some, or suggesting, or implying that he has shown us evidence of christianity being true, or Jesus, or his resurrection?
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c) No truthful facts and nothing to rationally pursuade anyone to christianity unless they’re lies.
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– Which of course we know Elijiah loves to tell lies, as he has repeatedly shown us.
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MORE LIES FROM ELIJIAH….
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Given the two definitions above, both arguments and evidence deal with coming to conclusions (either affirming or denying something). They both also deal with supporting beliefs, and they both deal with reasons and facts.
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MY RESPONSE:
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So what is Elijiah DENYING as it says above here?
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a) He can deny that there is no evidence for Jesus, or that there’s no evidence for Jesus being God all he wants, but until he shows anybody anything, then he has nothing.
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b) There is nothing Elijiah can say, or offer that SUPPORTS his beliefs, which is christianity, which is Jesus was a real person, which is Jesus was God, which was Jesus was the son of God, which was Jesus came back from the dead, nothing.
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– No evidence.
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– Strong evidence AGAINST his claims though.
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– No evidence he isn’t brainwashed at all, nor will he even respond to this.
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c) What REASONS and what FACTS?
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– Again with more lying.
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– In almost a year Elijiah has shown me no reasons and no facts that support anything he says.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES HIS LYING….
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So what is the difference?
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It looks like the definitions of evidence and arguments overlap in all the important categories, except one. Arguments deal with “truth-bearers” (a term used by the IEP), which are statements, beliefs, or propositions that can either be true or false.
For example, if I say, “All men are mortal”… that statement is either true or false. The same goes with the statement “Elijiah is a man”.
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I RESPOND:
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He’s unbelievable. There’s got to be some apologist course out there somewhere that tells you to just keep suggesting that you’ve just said something and keep implying that you did and that people are so dumb that they will believe you.
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a) His argument is completely devoid of any proof, or truth to it.
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b) His “evidence” is also completely devoid of any proof, or truth, or I guess you could say that his “evidence” lacks any evidence.
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c) The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy does not of course support anything Elijiah says either, so I have no idea why he is saying it does.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES SAYING NOTHING….
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So an argument is a series of truth-bearers that lead to a conclusion. Take the two examples I used above. From those two statements, what conclusion can be reached?
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I RESPOND:
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a) Elijiah it seems is unable to tell the truth and for him to create a truth-bearer is absolutely impossible.
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b) The conclusion from these 2 statements is that Elijiah is unable to tell the truth and thinks people are idiots and dumb enough to believe this nonsense he has written.
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ELIJIAH CONTIUES….
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All men are mortal.
Elijah is a man.
Therefore – Elijah is mortal.
We have good evidence to believe the 1st statement.
And, considering I am the Elijah spoken of in the 2nd premise, we have good evidence to believe that I am a man.
And therefore, following the rules of logical inference, we have evidence to believe the conclusion: that I am mortal.
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I RESPOND:
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This still doesn’t prove christianity in any way shape, or form. No matter how hard Elijiah tries to say that he is actually saying anything.
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Well let’s do what Elijiah does…
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a) All religions have no evidence they are true.
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– Christianity is a religion
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– Therefore christianity has no evidence that it is true
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b) Elijiah can not prove christianity
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– Elijiah is saying that christianity is real
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– Therefore Elijiah is wasting our time.
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c) All Elijiah knows how to do when asked for proof of christianity is deflect.
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– All Elijiah is doing is not saying anything that answers a single question.
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– Therefore Elijiah is deflecting now.
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d) All apologists are lying manipulative time wasters.
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– Elijiah is an apologist.
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– Therefore Elijiah is a lying manipulative time waster.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES TIME WASTING….
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*side note – how logic works*
In order for a conclusion to logically follow from an argument, the argument must be both valid and sound. Not all arguments are sound and/or valid. An argument is valid only when its form follows the rules of logic (does not commit a logical fallacy). An argument is sound when it is valid and all of its premises are true.
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I RESPOND AGAIN:
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So this has transitioned to talking about arguments now and just arguments it seems. Of course there’s still nothing that Elijiah has said this entire time that has given any support of christianity, or even outside of this article he has written at any time that supports christianity being true. Nothing. Zip.
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES PRETENDING HE IS SAYING ANYTHING….
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An argument is a collection of truth-bearers that when taken to their logical conclusion, give evidence for a particular conclusion. If there is good evidence to accept the premises, then there is good evidence to accept the conclusion.
Take the syllogism offered earlier.
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1. All men are mortal.
2. Elijah is a man.
3. Therefore, Elijah is mortal.
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Wouldn’t you say that you now have evidence that I (Elijah) am mortal? Or do you still have to kill me (or wait for me to die) to know that I am mortal? I think you have good evidence to believe that I am mortal, wholly apart from killing me.
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I RESPOND:
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Still no proof of christianity being true and still hasn’t said anything to support it. Just more time wasting and rambling about nothing.
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(20)
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ELIJIAH CONTINUES TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HE IS SAYING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT WHEN HE ISN’T….
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So, if:
Evidence can be defined as the available body of facts or information which tends to prove or disprove something…
… and…
An argument can be defined as a collection of truth-bearing statements, reasons or facts used in support of an idea, theory or belief.
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Then it seems reasonable to conclude that when an argument is both valid and sound, it becomes evidence for a particular conclusion. So is an argument actually evidence?
It would seem that the answer is… yes.
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I RESPOND:
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a) There’s nothing Elijiah has ever said that provides any evidence, facts, proof, history, reason, or valid point of the following:
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– Jesus being a real person.
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– Jesus being God.
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– Jesus being the son of God.
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– Jesus being divine in any way.
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– Jesus being resurrected in any way.
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– The bible having any truth to it whatsoever.
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– That christianity is correct whatsoever out of the 1000s of religions throughout history that were before christianity by people with the same devotion and commitment Elijiah has.
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b) Of course Elijiah hasn’t provided any evidence why he isn’t brainwashed either, but he thought it was okay to ask me to prove how I wasn’t (which I did).
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– He of course deflected that like he does everything else when it came time for him to answer.
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c) Reminding everyone again that Elijiah has not provided any truth bearing statements to me in the past year and a half of repeatedly asking.
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d) Elijiah’s never said anything  that supports his IDEA, as he says above.
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e) Elijiah’s never said anything to support his THEORY as he is saying he is above.
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f) Elijiah has never said anything that supports his BELIEF either.
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(21)
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ELIJIAH FINISHES OFF WITH MORE COMPLETE NONSENSE THAT DOESN’T PROVE A SINGLE THING REGARDING CHRISTIANITY….
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*** TL;DR?
Evidence is used in justification for certain truth-bearing (can be true or false) propositions. An argument is a series of truth-bearing propositions, logically leading to a conclusion. If the premises of an argument are justified by evidence, and the argument is both valid and sound, the conclusion logically follows.
That logical conclusion from the evidence is also evidence for a certain conclusion. So, an argument is evidence. However, this is not meant to be a bifurcation between the concepts. Arguments and evidence are interdependent upon each other.
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I RESPOND:
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a) Elijiah hasn’t said a single TRUTH that had a single bit of evidence of christianity being based on real things.
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– So this is of course untrue.
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b) Elijiah’s CONCLUSION is faith based and bible based.
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– There is no evidence in faith, except that the person has only faith.
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– The bible cannot prove the bible and Elijiah knows this.
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– Elijiah knows that there is no evidence of the bible and has not shown me any evidence, proof, or historically based FACTS in a year  of dealing with him.
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c) Elijiah’s PREMISE of his arguments about Jesus being real, or Jesus being divine, or resurrected, are not JUSTIFIED by evidence in any way.
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d) Elijiah’s argument is not SOUND in any way shape, or form.
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– If Elijiah had something, then how come he hasn’t shown it in almost a year of me asking, nagging & practically begging?
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e) Yes an argument CAN be a form of evidence, but only if there is some sort of truth, or facts that are true to back it up.
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– Elijiah has nothing that supports anything he says.
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– Elijiah has nothing that supports anything he believes,
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– Anything that Elijiah uses is faith based only and bible based only.
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