Well as someone who was once brainwashed to religion and also experienced other types of brainwashing, I thought I was a good voice for people to hear regarding my own personal experiences about myself and personal observations regarding other peoples religious brainwashing.
Here are some good ones that I wrote:
How Atheists aren’t brainwashed
Religion IS brainwashing
Indoctrinated indoctrinaters indoctrinating indoctrination
Why nobody tells you you’re brainwashed to your religion
It’s no conspiracy theory religion is brainwashing. IT’S FACT!
However well I thought that I put them together though, many religious readers simply dismissed it due to my lack of any scientific credentials.
Though I did put this article out:
The definition of brainwashing and how it fits religion:
Yet it still wasn’t taken seriously, again due to my lack of credentials in the psychological field. Though I am doing my best to enter school and get experience in this now that I’ve been inspired to do so, but it’s a long road.
A certain annoying christian pressed me on this recently and confronted me with some things, which in all honesty was helpful and exposed some things that I found to be very useful. It was helpful because it exposed the fact that what the christian had shown me was nonsense and yet it was the best that they could do. It also helped show me the references and links that show how religion truly is nothing more than BRAINWASHING!
There are of course two specific forms of brainwashing and they are:
– Child indoctrination
– Being brainwashed when older by being caught in a state of emotional vulnerability.
So let’s examine what the christian had sent me that was supposed to show me how being religious is not brainwashing.
The christian went to Wikipedia and sent me this definition:
Wikipedia offers us this: “Mind control (also known as brainwashing,coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) is a theoretical indoctrination process which results in “an impairment of autonomy, an inability to think independently, and a disruption of beliefs and affiliations. In this context, brainwashing refers to the involuntary reeducation of basic beliefs and values” The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual’s sense of control over their ownthinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.”
– Now the christian who sent that from the following link then implied that brainwashing was only a theory:
– However the christian was merely cherry picking off of the Wikipedia page and ignored the many links and references that confirm how religion and child indoctrination are quite real, so I found the wikipedia submission he gave quite laughable and as I said “helpful” to me.
– So let’s do as I said and examine the same page and see what we can find just regarding brainwashing to religion itself:
From Wikipedia we can get some references.
Oh here’s a good one:
“Philip Zimbardo discusses mind control as “the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes”, and he suggests that any human being is susceptible to such manipulation. ”
Let’s checkout Dr. Zimbardo:
Let’s see what  says about what Dr. Zimbardo says:
“Zimbardo, Philip G. (November 2002). “Mind Control: Psychological Reality or Mindless Rhetoric?”. Monitor on Psychology. Retrieved 2008-12-30. “Mind control is the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical nor mystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles. Conformity, compliance, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, guilt and fear arousal, modeling and identification are some of the staple social influence ingredients well studied in psychological experiments and field studies. In some combinations, they create a powerful crucible of extreme mental and behavioral manipulation when synthesized with several other real-world factors, such as charismatic, authoritarian leaders, dominant ideologies, social isolation, physical debilitation, induced phobias, and extreme threats or promised rewards that are typically deceptively orchestrated, over an extended time period in settings where they are applied intensively. A body of social science evidence shows that when systematically practiced by state-sanctioned police, military or destructive cults, mind control can induce false confessions, create converts who willingly torture or kill ‘invented enemies,’ and engage indoctrinated members to work tirelessly, give up their money—and even their lives—for ‘the cause.”
For the full article:
– Sounds pretty damning if you compare it to religion and see exactly where religion fits in.
– Well that really was a good one for proving my point, so let’s bring up more of Dr. Zimbardo’s work on this.
Here’s a great article on brainwashing in regards to “cults” that he did that supports everything that I say:
– If you’ve read what Dr. Zimbardo says you can see that when he says “cults” he is giving examples of simple “religion” and the things that draw people into them.
“Whatever any member of a cult has done, you and I could be recruited or seduced into doing–under the right or wrong conditions. The majority of ‘normal, average, intelligent’ individuals can be led to engage in immoral, illegal, irrational, aggressive and self destructive actions that are contrary to their values or personality–when manipulated situational conditions exert their power over individual dispositions.”
– When agents modify and alter perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes.
> This would be religious people pushing religion on people and convincing them that it’s true.
> Religion is pushed on people even though it makes no sense and has no evidence.
> Victims of religious brainwashing refuse to see that there is no difference of their religion and all other religions that they don’t believe in and make no sense to them.
> Part of their brainwashing causes them to refuse to see.
– A process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles.
“Conformity, compliance, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, guilt and fear arousal, modeling and identification.”
Conformity- When everyone is just so force fed religion and they see religion everywhere and believed by everyone, they find it unlikely that so many people are deceived and lied to.
> They find it highly unlikely that people they trust and respect and think are highly intelligent could possibly be wrong and are in denial that they could be.
Compliance- People just go with the flow and refuse to question anything, or even question themselves.
Persuasion- People are fed colorful lies from people they trust and encouraged to deny truth and reassured to believe things without evidence that make no sense.
Guilt- As I said before, religion makes people think they are broken and in need of fixing.
> It makes people think they have an imaginary disease and need an imaginary cure.
> It attempts to say that there is even such a thing as a “sin” even though there is no logical reason that even if a god did exist that it would care what anyone did.
> There is afterall no such thing as “sin”, there is only RIGHT or WRONG as determined by socially evolved standards and definitions.
> It attempts to say that even though there is shown to be no truth to the bible at all and nothing about the bible makes any sense, that a nonsensical psychopath named Yahweh and a hippi rabbi are the same person and are loving and have made a list of things they don’t want you to do, like masturbate and be gay.
> Religion attempts to make us ashamed of ourselves because of how we are born and because it wants people to believe an omnipotent sky being will convict us of “thought crime”.
Social isolation- This is what Christians keeps refering to, but in a way haven’t realized, because they keep refering to “isolation”.
> If people are “socially isolated” with religion by making them feel like outcasts from their friends, family, community and even their country, then that will have a strong influence on people and will not only affect their judgement, but make them too subconciously afraid to even test their faith.
Dominant ideologies- Things like hating gays and hating yourself if you are gay can become a mutual and harmful ideology brought on by religion.
Fear- Religions push fears onto people whether they are already child indoctrinated or not.
>Religion causes people to be talked into the idea that invisible beings with no evidence and who make no sense have nothing better to do than punish and torture people for ridiculous things that they would have no reason to care about.
> Religion forces the “better safe than sorry schtik” on people who really are simply taking peoples words and not taking the time to research and don’t know how.
> Again I recommend the Michael Sherlock book “I am Christ” for a full grasp on how christianity really is based on nothing but a lie. Michael really breaks everything down.
The promised rewards- Christianity is just full of those promised rewards that religious people become psychologically addicted to.
> Religious people become so psychologically addicted to their promised rewards that they become completely mentally dependent on believing the lies so much that to merely entertain the idea to them that they are lies becomes mentally painful and extremely uncomfortable.
> This type of mental pain and uncomfortability relgious people feel when you tell them anything about their religion being a lie and their imaginary rewards being untrue is called “cognitive dissonance” (as many already know).
– As I dug even deeper I found some other things that the wikipedia page linked me to.
“Other scholars disagree with this consensus amongst sociologists of religion. Benjamin Zablocki asserts that it’s obvious that brainwashing occurs, at least to any objective observer; and that it isn’t “a process that is directly observable.” The “real sociological issue”, Zabloki states, is whether “brainwashing occurs frequently enough to be considered an important social problem”. Zablocki disagrees with scholars like Richardson, stating that Richardson’s observation is flawed. According to Zablocki, Richardson misunderstands brainwashing, conceiving of it as a recruiting process, instead of a retaining process. So although Richardson’s data are correct, Zablocki states, properly understood, brainwashing does not imply that NRMs will have a notable success in recruitment; so the criticism is inapt. Additionally, Zablocki attempts to debunk the other criticisms Richardson, et al., apply to brainwashing: if Zablocki is correct, there’s a plethora of evidence in favor of the claim that some NRMs brainwash some of their members. Perhaps most notably, Zablocki says, the sheer number of former cult leaders and ex-members who attest to brainwashing in interviews (performed in accordance with guidelines of the National Institute of Mental Health and National Science Foundation) is too large to be a result of anything other than a genuine phenomenon. ”
“Zablocki heads the Sociology department at Rutgers. He has published widely on the sociology of religion.
Zablocki is a fervent supporter of what he calls ‘the brainwashing hypothesis’. The question is not whether brainwashing exists, he asserts, but to what extent.”
– WOW! The woman certainly had credentials and seems that she dedicated her life to things of psychological research, including several different forms of BRAINWASHING.
– She even had an award named after her a year after she died.
– So let’s take a look at what happened with Margaret Singer’s research about religious brainwashing….
Well that’s interesting.
– Says how her work was attacked and criticized because people in religious power didn’t want the TRUTH exposed.
– Not surprising that there were death threats and that religious people would stoop so low as to hide the TRUTH from the public.
– Just shows again how religion has no limits to how evil it can be and the measures it’s followers will go in order to maintain it’s control.
– Ben Zablocki agrees with the fact.
“Zablocki further alleges that brainwashing has been unfairly “blacklisted” from the academic journals of sociology of religion. Such blacklisters, Zablocki asserts, receive lavish funding from alleged cults and engage in “corrupt” practices.”
Now if you’ve read the above and the links involved in it, I will show you that the 3 BIGGEST examples of brainwashing are the 3 BIGGEST apologists there is right now.
William Lane Craig
Jim Warner Wallace
– All 3 were brainwashed.
> All 3 are long term.
> All 3 were “born again” or “saved” as they refer to themselves.
> “Born again” is another way of saying “new identity” for themselves.
> Last I checked, all 3 of them thought of themselves completely different after as though they were different people afterward.
> Last I checked, all 3 of them aren’t changing anytime soon.
> The only way this isn’t true about them is if they know it’s all a scam and are just happy with the vast amounts of money they make and they laugh at how easy it is and at how stupid people really are.
> It’s one or the other, they’re brainwashed, or scam artists.
– If the person is in a state of being emotionally vulnerable when older, then whatever is available at the time and convenient in the form of a religion would be the “brainwasher”.
– As in Lee Strobel’s case and also Jim Wallace’s case, they attended church regularly as Atheists and through repetition and conditioning they gradually had those emotional vulnerabilities formed.
– Once someone has an emotional vulnerability formed then they are officially “victims” who cling to the delusion that they use as a mental self defense.
So what are the main forms of religious brainwashing again?
– Child indoctrination and mental conditioning to deny the truth and are things drilled into children’s heads since birth, or very very young.
– If someone is caught in a state of emotional vulnerability, then religion can exploit that vulnerability by convincing the person of things that aren’t real, but also by convincing them (without evidence) that certain things are not true.
– By convincing people that fake evidence is true and by exploiting them, by abusing people’s trust and deceiving them, by the time they find out that certain things are lies, they will have been too absorbed in the religion that they won’t listen to reason anyway.
– This is why people will embrace the religion they were presented, because that was the religion they were exposed to when emotionally vulnerable.
– If religion didn’t make people feel worthless and afraid then it wouldn’t exist.
– If religion didn’t make people feel worthless and afraid then people wouldn’t be vulnerable.
– If the religious victims weren’t feeling worthless, afraid and weren’t vulnerable then they wouldn’t allow themselves to believe the nonsense that they are exposed to that makes no sense and has no truth.
– If people weren’t exposed to the religion that they have the most influence and exposure to while vulnerable, or child indoctrinated, then they would simply have to find inner strength.
– Religion destroys inner strength.
– Religion causes people to be slaves of a lie.
– Religion causes people to not be able to deal with the truth and makes them mentally unable to deal with the fact that they have been lied to, are living a lie and the people they trusted have lied to them.
Religion is after all just making people fear things that aren’t real, which really is brainwashing….
> Fear of hell.
> Fear of God.
> Fear of Jesus.
> Fear of Satan.
> Fear of not going to heaven.
> Fear of no “rewards” in the afterlife.
> Fear of not having an afterlife.
> Fear of bad things happening to friends and family.
– The many over 40,000 sects of christianity in the world fear the above very much.
– Fear is everything to belief and without fear there is no motivation to believe.
The christian tries suggesting to me that a couple of examples of cult members like the Manson Family, The Peoples Temple (Jonestown) and the Branch Davidian were “seeking” and “allowed” themselves to be influenced.”
– They then tried saying that this was not brainwashing because it’s what they wanted.
– What they forget is the fact that they would have been perfect prey for the church if they had of gotten to them first.
> Maybe the westborough baptist church.
> Maybe some mormons.
> Maybe some jehovah’s witnesses.
> Maybe the klu klux klan.
> Maybe just your plain old evolution denying, science denying, Earth is only 6000 years old types of church.
> Maybe just one that handles poisonous snakes..
So let’s look at more expert views of how religious brainwashing can victimize the unsuspecting….
“Meanwhile, in Influence, Science and Practice, social psychologist Robert Cialdini argues that mind control is possible through the covert exploitation of the unconscious rules that underlie and facilitate healthy human social interactions. He states that common social rules can be used to prey upon the unwary. Using categories, he offers specific examples of both mild and extreme mind control (both one on one and in groups), notes the conditions under which each social rule is most easily exploited for false ends, and offers suggestions on how to resist such methods.”
– Religious brainwashing most definitely takes advantage of the “lost” and confused though since they are obviously easier to influence.
People who take advantage and corrupt these people are predators afterall.
As Kathleen Taylor explains in her book “Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control”
She explains that repetition is an integral part of brainwashing techniques because connections between neurons become stronger when exposed to incoming signals of frequency and intensity.
– This shows as a good example how Lee Strobel and Jim Wallace got converted against their will.
However they had the illusion that they were willingly converting themselves.
– As for William Lane Craig we can only guess as he simply says “he doesn’t need evidence and only needs his religious experience.”
Here’s how easy it is to brainwash the seekers and people who want to be brainwashed.
– The points proven by this movie are these:
> How easy it is to seduce others into a state of “spirituality”.
> How easy it is to seduce people into believing in a supernatural connection with something, or somebody.
> How the gullible are so easy to manipulate into believing someone is a prophet.
> How someone doing exactly what the film maker did 2000 years ago could have easily started a religion of his own.
– These points above show exactly how easy it is to brainwash people who are looking to be brainwashed.
– The director was showing how easy it is to mislead people.
– If he did want to brainwash people he easily could have, in fact many people WERE.
– They were deluded into following Kumare and believing in him.
– They believed in his lies (that he was a prophet) Yes I am aware of his honesty that he wasn’t a prophet.
– They believed he was divine somehow.
– They believed he was a “prophet”.
– They were brainwashed.
– Just like people believed that Jesus was divine and a prophet and that belief evolved into “God”.
– Just like Christians and muslims and all other religions are brainwashed.
Here’s a different 5 minute youtube vid talking about the film:
– He says in this clip that he had Jesus in mind when he made the film and also says he wanted to show the absurdity of religious leaders.
– A woman even calls him divine in the movie.
So let’s go through it again:
– Believed a lie and thought Kumare was “divine” or supernatural.(brainwashing)
– Thought of Kumare as a religious leader which would mean he was the leader of a religion. (brainwashing)
– If people follow a religious leader then they follow a religion also. (brainwashing)
– The religion wasn’t real, but people followed it and Kumare and based their lives around him, so they were brainwashed to both Kumare and his religion. (brainwashing)
– It is undeniable that Ghandi (the film maker) had fooled and brainwashed them with Kumare and if he had wanted to he could have easily completely taken advantage of thousands of people.
– He simply took advantage of something that many people desperately look for which is “a need to believe in the supernatural”.
– This is of course one of many emotional vulnerabilities that are exploited.
– This need to believe is what Kumare exploited and showed the world how truly easy it was.
Also we know for a fact that child indoctrination is brainwashing and nothing else.
This is completely undeniable that this is brainwashing and completely unavoidable that this is true that this is evil and a complete violation.”
– What scientific evidence is necessary that I didn’t show?
> The kids were fed a belief since they were very very young that they were discouraged from not believing.
> They were subjected to fear and threat of punishment for not believing.
> They were fed the belief that there was a great reward, which of course is a lie, has no evidence and is just something used to control them.
> The kids were fed the same lie that their parents were fed and mentally conditioned to not know any different and psychologically rewired to ignore evidence against that belief.
> This IS child indoctrination, just like the definitions say.
– They CLEARLY SAY how raising a child into believing a religion and programming their beliefs into them is CHILD INDOCTRINATION.
– They CLEARLY say how child indoctrination is BRAINWASHING.
No Atheism is not indoctrination, just like Atheism is not a religion, or a belief.
– Just like Atheism is not a religion, or a belief, but the lack of a religion, or belief.
– Atheist parents are not indoctrinating their kids to anything because they are only showing children things that are scientific and observable, or they just leave children to figure things out for themselves.
– Just like christians don’t indoctrinate their kids to other people’s religions, just their own and Atheists just so happen to not indoctrinate kids to ANY religions.
– Atheism is simply the fact that we do not believe in any gods, or religions because there is no evidence to believe ANY religions, so why would we?
– List all the reasons a christian doesn’t believe mormonism, or islam and I will use those exact same reasons to say why I don’t believe christianity.
– Atheism is simply the NEUTRAL position and the same reasons that a christian wouldn’t push scientology on a child and raise them that way are the same reasons Atheists don’t push ANY religions on kids.
– Christians have no evidence any religion is true and can’t say how ANY religion makes any sense.
– If a kid asks their parent “why are there rainbows?” an Atheist parent says “I don’t know” or tells them the reason, or looks it up on wikipedia…..
– A christian parent will then pull out the bible and quote Genesis chapter 9 and tell them “God created rainbows to remind us of the flood and that he won’t kill everyone in a flood ever again”.
– But won’t tell them that the story is just a rip off of the way older story “The Epic of Gilgamesh”.
– An Atheist parent isn’t indoctrinating their kids with evolution for the following reasons….
> Evolution isn’t indoctrination, it’s sound PROVEN science.
> If an Atheist doesn’t know something they say “I don’t know”.
> What we do know is that no religion makes any sense and there is no evidence for any religion being true, so WHY would we tell them anything that is the equivalent of “magic did it”?
> Not infecting kids with lies without evidence that make no sense is the same as not infecting them with a mental illness that affects their judgement.
> Someone who dies to please a god however, IS brainwashed.
> Someone who kills themself because they think that a god wants them to, is brainwashed.
> Someone who thinks that killing themself will get them a reward and that when they die they really aren’t dying, is brainwashed.
> Killing yourself for a mythical being that you have been child indoctrinated or conditioned when older to believe in IS brainwashing and if you don’t believe that then you’re either brainwashed yourself, or an idiot!
– These kids are brainwashed to be child martyrs:
And if you can’t watch this clip and see that it is brainwashing then I really can’t say anything else other than how much you disgust me with how stupid you are.
Christianity is a clear example of brainwashing from all the expert research that professionals have done.
– There is no sane or rational reason that christianity can be believed unless someone is brainwashed and christians have simply been brainwashed to just dismiss the evidence.
– The gospels have shown to be fiction in every sense.
– The outside sources of Jesus have all been shown to be fake, parrotted hearsay, or not talking about Jesus at all.
– The sources of Paul that were written by possibly him, do not talk about him knowing Jesus’ brother, but “brothers” in the christian sense.
– All references of Paul about Jesus were from scripture, revelation, or talking with Jesus in outer space.
– There is no difference between Paul and Davd Koresh really and Christians don’t think Koresh was divine, or anything of the sort.
So there you have it!
– I gave you experts who did professional scientific research and experiments.
> The experts weren’t biased and misleading, but simply DOING THEIR JOB!
> Some of these experts said that there are religious people in power who are pulling strings and working against them from showing this research and evidence.
– I gave you examples.
– I gave you videos.
– I gave you comparisons
– I gave you links.
– I gave you undeniable facts.
– I gave you the truth.
– I gave religious people things to self reflect and think about.
– I gave Atheists who defend religion and say religious people aren’t brainwashed a good dose of reality also.
No I’m not an expert, but I am trying to be and am making it my life’s work to show it and doing my best to become one.
– It’s a simple matter of pointing out the undeniable and showing some of the things that are difficult to prove, but showing the people who are able.
RELIGION IS BRAINWASHING!