Here is an old article, from my old blog, of an exchange with the craziest person on Twitter, by the name of Sacerdotus.

Saccy disappeared for a while after getting suspended and harrassing and getting Rosa Rubicondior suspended by making up a bunch of lies. He’s back now though.

Saccy has like 20+ Twitter accounts that he uses to support himself and defend himself on Twitter and likes to start accounts pretending to be young teenage boys, or girls and then will report Atheists to Twitter for talking to “a minor” and saying “he was mentally abused online”.

For more on Sacerdotus, or Manny as his real name is, then do read this article:

http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.ca/p/sac-bag.html?m=1

I actually had completely forgotten about this response I wrote but I see that Saccy/Manny is using his new Twitter account and posting his silly little article regarding our exchange and then reminded me that I had this response I wrote on file.

http://www.sacerdotus.com/2012/07/soldering-iron-atheist.html?spref=tw&m=1

So it was a few years ago now Saccy was debating me on Twitter and I had brought up several points to him. He then wrote this article in response to what I said on Twitter that day:

1) I stated….

“Everyone’s born an Atheist til corrupted with lies by society”

Sacerdotus replies…..

“This is not possible. In order to be an Atheist one must reject the concept of God. Rejection is an action that must be performed after prior knowledge exists of what is about to be rejected. In other words, one must know about the subject before voicing an opinion on it. I cannot tell you that there is no spherical triangle in nature unless I was aware of what shapes are beforehand.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ delusional, dishonest, untrue nonsense….

-Sacerdotus is warping reality in his own mind and projecting his false statement hoping we accept his answer.

-Atheism means “not believing in gods or religions and that’s it.

-Since all religions are completely disproved and make no sense whatsoever and have not a shred of evidence, the only logical conclusion is that people are brainwashed and deceived to overlook logic and truth, or as stated “corrupted by lies from society”

-If Sacerdotus has the nerve to state that that there is actual truth and evidence to prove anything in the bible, or ANY religion, then by all means let him give it to us.

-Everyone who is a religious is an Atheist to the 1000’s of other religions on Earth. Only few they are aware of, but they disbelieve those also. Complete evidence that the only reason they believe any particular religion is because of brainwashing and geographical circumstances.

-People are only religious because they were child indoctrinated or they were brainwashed when older because they were exploited by being caught in an emotionally vulnerable state.
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Sacerdotus then continues….

“Moreover, no one can know the internal state of anyone. We do not know what knowledge a young baby’s brain contains. There is no way to read a baby’s mind. According to geneticists, we all have the VMAT2 gene which predisposes us to believe in God. Atheism is not the unawareness of God.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ statement of “not knowing the internal state of anyone”….

-It’s very simple. People can only believe something that has no evidence and makes no sense and is proven to be fraud if they are brainwashed, or as more nicely said “corrupted by society”. They must be deceived and their brains wiring altered to only accept one reality, unknowingly against their will.

-Ask Sacerdotus if he believes brainwashing exists. It of course does exist and is a documented fact. If someone knew they were brainwashed, then they wouldn’t be brainwashed. Simple fact.

In response to the “VMAT2 gene” lie that Sacerdotus mentions….

-That is not proven whatsoever and is proof of nothing. It is a false statement and something Sacerdotus only hopes people will NOT look it up, or they will see that it is nothing more than fraud and hopeful thinking.
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2) Iron Atheist stated….

“There are over 3000 gods worshipped on Earth right now”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Those gods are the anthropomorphic representations of the one God from man using his limited language. For example, you can call your mother mom. Another may call his/her mother mommy. The main idea is still present: you both have a mother figure. So whatever names or descriptions man gives God, the underlining factor remains that there is a Creator.”

In response to Sacerdotus’ irrelevant point and I really do mean irrelevant as in “totally missed the point”….

-3700 gods worshipped on Earth are very different from each other and merely proves again that religion is nothing more than brainwashing, geographical exposure and infection from people who are trusted but brainwashed, from people they trusted who were brainwashed and so on and so on.

-People giving something that isn’t real a name and someone else giving the same thing that is not real a different name, does not make that thing real. It is a completely invalid point.

-As the great Christopher Hitchens once said “Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong”.

-Since no religion has any evidence of supernatural truth and has only truth of evidence of being fraudulent brainwashing, then the above statement by Christopher Hitchens is correct.

-The fact that of even giving something a name does not make it real. Bernie Madoff’s “investment plan” might have had a name, but was not real.

-Ask Sacerdotus if the Lochness monster is real. Some people call it “Nessie”. Doesn’t make it real.
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3) Iron Atheist stated….

“Your religion alone has been entirely disproven in it’s entirety having been completely debunked by science”.
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Sacerdotus replies….

“When? The Catholic Church invented science as we know it. Franciscan Friar Francis Bacon developed the Scientific Method. Monsignor Lemaitre formulated the “Big Bang” theory. Isaac Newton, the father of physics was a devout Catholic who valued the Bible greatly.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ completely irrelevant statement which mostly has nothing to do with what I said….

-“When?” Sacerdotus asks. How about ever since people stopped being put to death in places on Earth for blasphemy?!

-As many times as you ask Sacerdotus for any real proof of anything in his religion or ANY religion having evidence of supernatural truth, he will not answer you unless it is from a biased and ridiculously opinionated article, or link.

-Sacerdotus saying that “a few scientists were religious so that means that science cant disprove religion” makes so little sense, that I fail to see how that argues with the point I made in the slightest bit!

-All Sacerdotus really said was if you think about it is “that brainwashed people helped to destroy the religious delusion by exposing the truth.”

-Ask Sacerdotus how fossils, chemistry, astronomy, biology and correct and unbiased historical evidence havent destroyed every thing in the bible! He can’t of course and has no biblical evidence whatsover! Ask him for it and not from biased websites, or articles!

-Sacerdotus fails completely again to counter, or make a relevant point and AGAIN can’t even answer something with an answer that isnt opinion only and a dishonest complete subject change!
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4) I stated….

“Earth has been proven to be 4.5 billion years old”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Nothing has been proven. Estimates are made based on carbon dating. Carbon dating is not entirely accurate. The National Foundation of Science in Miami found flaws in this system of measurement. We do not know the original base ratio of the radioactivity in carbon from which to begin from and there is also contamination from external radioactive forces. We believe the Earth is 4 billion years old, but we do not know this for sure.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ unscientific, untruthful, misleading and completely inaccurately biased words about Earth’s age…..

-Sacerdotus is NOT a scientist and millions of brilliant scientists have concluded Earth’s age to be 4.5 billion.

-Sacerdotus not accepting the truth and telling himself that the scientists are wrong is just another example of brainwashing and denial due FROM religious brainwashing.

5) I stated…. Modern man is approx 100,000, or older, much older maybe.
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Again, we do not know this for sure based on the answer in number 4. We are still learning how to accurately date things. For now, all we have are estimates.”
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In response to more of Sacerdotus’ unscientific, untruthful, biased, misleading non-sense….

-Again we have Sacerdotus saying something, not as a scientist, but as a religious, brainwashed creationist, who dismisses any and all evidence of anything that proves ANYTHING in his religion and bible wrong.

-Sacerdotus believes Earth and man to be 10,000 years old, or less and completely ignores the fact that oil and fossil fuels took many million years to make, 1000s of extinct species of fossils have been discovered, DNA evidence and scientifically certifiable carbon-dating!

-“Genesis” which the Adam and Eve story and the Garden of Eden were written in, was written by “Moses”. There is no historical evidence Moses existed, or that “The Exodus” ever happened. All Egyptian historical documentation and physical evidence outside the bible completely contradict it. So the truth is that a fraud was written by someone who claimed to be someone who is another fraud. Not credible at all.

6) I stated….

“So many religions have predated other religions & faded to non existence having been made up & societies dying out with them”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“The fact that religion has always existed shows man’s need to look beyond this world. Most religions are similar. They have a God creator, a creation story and an afterlife. How did ancient peoples come to these similar conclusions from thousands of miles apart?”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ empty, meaningless reply, which proves nothing of a god & proves nothing of christianity which is what Sacerdotus believes….

-Just because religion has existed a long time does not mean any of it is true.

-All religion is is a belief in supernatural entities.

-There still at this time is no proof that any supernatural beings are real. Please ask Sacerdotus for any proven facts of any religious supernatural beings actually existing.

-The bible is proof of nothing.

-Ask Sacerdotus what he thinks of the Aztecs sacrificing 250,000 people a year by ripping their hearts out for centuries? What part of the Aztec religion does he find similar to his? God was big on human blood in the bible also. Was that it?

-How does Sacerdotus think that people came to these conclusions? People made them up, they deceived people, they earned peoples trust, people are gullible and brainwashed and people didn’t know how things really worked in the world.

-Sacerdotus makes no point whatsoever when he says religions are similar. If they are similar then they must be okay? Is that what he implies? Does Sacerdotus think it ok to worship Zeus, or Allah then?
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7) I stated….

“Back 1000’s of years ago people made religion up to explain the world around them & the stories stuck & they evolved also”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Not true, religion has existed way before 1000 years ago. Religion exists not to explain the world, but to explain its purpose: big difference”
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In response to yet ANOTHER one of Sacerdotus’ empty, meaningless answers that have nothing to do with what Iron Atheist said….

-Iron Atheist said “1000’s”, not a 1000. Meaning many 1000’s of years before christianity.

-Sacerdotus says “Religion exists not to explain the world, but to explain its purpose: big difference.” What does this have to do with what I asked?

-Sacerdotus said nothing that proved his religion, or any other religion true!

-Since Sacerdotus doesn’t agree with the purposes of any other religion other than his own, it proves nothing of his religious purpose or any religious purpose being significant whatsoever!
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8) Iron Atheist stated….

“People get brainwashed as children by families & their thinking in their brains is wired to have a codependence to a god”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“No, according to geneticists we all are wired to believe in God due to the VMAT2 gene”
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In response to Sacardotus’ beyond pathetic reply….

-“According to geneticists” Sacerdotus says. Funny how Sacerdotus believes something that is an absurd, untrue delusion that tells him exactly what he wants to hear, but refuses to accept geneticists when they have DNA proof of humans being over 100,000 years old.

-It’s funny how not only geneticists prove, but simple biology proves, that viruses evolve, which simply proves evolution exists. This however does not go along with what Sacerdotus wants to hear. Anything that proves evolution is real is disregarded.

-Sacerdotus will however present us with some untrue, irrelevant argument that humans have a gene encoded in our DNA that makes us believe in god.

-If belief in god were encoded in our DNA then why are there Atheists? Everyone has viruses that evolve, but not everyone believes in god. As in every single one of Sacerdotus’ points, they are irrelevant, untrue, dishonest and pointless.

-If we are wired in our DNA to believe in god, then how are so many people Atheists who can clearly see the fraud, inaccuracies, brainwashing, injustice and contradictions of religion?

-Sacerdotus makes no argument to what I said about familes brainwashing their children to religion. There is nothing in his argument concept that has anything to do with it.

-If a child was never told of the concept of a god and was not introduced to the concept of a god til they were 18, then the person would not give the concept of god a chance. It would sound ridiculous.

-When a child’s brain is young it is conditioned and programmed to the “realities” that it is subjected to. Proof that religion is only brainwashing.

-Since there is nothing rational, realistic, truthful, provable or sensible in any religion, then that is proof that religion is only brainwashing and rewiring of the brain to only see and accept a false reality that people are geographically exposed to.

-Ask Sacerdotus if he thinks muslim parents teaching their kids to be suicide bombers is brainwashing? Ask Sacerdotus how he can prove he ISN’T brainwashed?

-Ask Sacerdotus if a small child singing a hateful song “all fags go to hell” is brainwashing? While that same child if they were raised a muslim could be taught to be a suicide bomber. Ask Sacerdotus if he believes they are brainwashed, yet he himself is not?
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9) I stated….

“People cannot deal with the reality of the end of their existence & religion causes people to be in denial with delusion”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“This is a claim that cannot be proven. I never met anyone who was afraid of their existence coming to an end. Even as an Atheist, I accepted the fact that eventually I will be gone. I don’t think anyone believes in God or religion out of fear of death.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ claim that what I said cannot be proven and what Sacerdotus says he himself “thinks”….

-Who does Sacerdotus think he’s kidding? Fearing death IS the biggest side effect of religious brainwashing. For Sacerdotus to say that religion doesn’t cause people to fear death is like saying Atheism isn’t caused by lack of evidence of any gods, logical thinking and awareness of scientific explanations.

-How many times have we heard of religious people saying “well better safe than sorry? That is an example of fearing death. Does Sacerdotus not know of “Pascal’s Wager”? Maybe he should read up on it.

-Whether people can’t mentally deal with the end of their existence and have to use religion to delude themselves to think they are somehow immortal as a mental self-defense, or are brainwashed to fear hell, both are perfect examples of people being religious and fearing death. Is Sacerdotus too stupid to not see that? I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say “no” and that Sacerdotus is simply doing his usual lying and general dishonesty.
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10) I stated….

“People who ARE religious are religious to whatever religion is geographical to them, or what they are brainwashed to”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Not always. There are children who do not go to Church with their parents or parents who don’t go but their children do. Moreover, there are Christians in Muslim countries and Muslims in Christian ones”
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In response to yet ANOTHER pathetic reply from Sacerdotus….

-We see him agree with what I said, but say that “that is not always the case”. He simply says that there are some exceptions, which is of course the weakest argument point anyone can make!

-In entire countries such as Iran where it is punishable by death to NOT be a muslim and places like “The Bible Belt” in the USA where christians in Kentucky are making it a crime to be an Atheist punishable by jail time, Sacerdotus really has no valid argument about religion NOT being a geographical influence.

-Sacerdotus says “some people dont go to church but their families do”. Yes they are called “rational human beings”, or “Atheists”. It is a good thing that people do that and it’s becoming more common in this day and age.

-Saying geography does not strongly and mostly cause what religion someone is, is like saying “religion doesn’t cause hatred, bigotry and wars”. The evidence is there and you can’t deny the facts.
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11) I stated….

“Panspermia has been proven to be the reason of where life came from & has been proven to be real by research in space”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Panspermia does not have a strong scientific backing. If it were true, we would have found life elsewhere by now. Moreover, if panspermia were true it still does not explain where everything came from. This Universe has a First Cause. Panspermia would not be that First Cause, but a cause from a prior cause.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which did not debunk panspermia’s truth, or evidence, or the fact that scientists have supported it and it’s evidence….

-Panspermia is quite real and documented in several examples if Sacerdotus were to research it. He of course must have NOT researched or he would not have given such a dishonest, incorrect answer.

-Panspermia is true, though some life also probably originated on Earth by itself through natural means as it does throughout the universe.

-Sacerdotus does not completey dismiss the possibility of panspermia, but instead says that “life must have come from somewhere”. Well that does cancel out the Adam and Eve story and christianity since panspermia is shown to exist and show life exists in space.

-So basically Sacerdotus only has one example of god in this entire conversation and that is “space germs”, germs which can be created anywhere naturally through random means. Space germs do not prove christianity though, just that life exists and evolves on it’s own.

-The universe having a cause of it being created does not mean in any way, shape, or form that an intelligent design had anything to do with it. That’s just wishful thinking by religious people that their lives haven’t been wasted on nonsense and delusion.
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12) I stated….

“People are disillusioned to thanking god for anything when there is no proof that hard work & being good are not why.”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“We thank God because everything exists because of Him. People who are cured of diseases thank God because obviously no work was done by man to assist in the dramatic recovery.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which didn’t counter the point that just simply being good and living a good life give you good things in it, not simple worship….

-Thanking god for good things happening is irrelevant when there is no evidence that prayers are answered or unanswered. Millions of good religious people pray every day for important crucial things. It doesn’t stop child molestation in churches, or anything of the sort.

-So Sacerdotus is saying to thank god cause he created everything? There is no evidence of this, or god even existing.

-It is not surprising that Sacerdotus is so brainwashed that he ignores all the evil god is responsible for in the bible and the unspeakable evil that exists everywhere every day! If god is responsible for all the good, then who is responsible for all the bad? Must be god right? Well actually it’s no one cause god does not exist!

-Sacerdotus saying “to thank god for curing diseases” is one of the most absurd things he has said so far. Sacerdotus should look up faith healing and see how many people have died from that!

-Mother Teresa caused thousands to suffer with her faith and fraud and opposition of birth control. Does Sacerdotus think badly of her? No of course not. More proof of his delusion and denial.

-Without science and medicine there would be no cures from sickness, or growing of limbs, or amazing things that advance on a daily basis from scientists and doctors not priests, or prayer and definitely not a non-existent god.

13) I state….

“When bad things happen to good people who pray anyways, what’s the point when there’s no proof of any divine factor 50/50?”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Bad things happen to good people because we judge it as bad. Without pain and suffering, human beings cannot learn. Pain and suffering are part of the human experience. It takes a wise mind to realize the good behind bad things.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ answer which he totally missed the point on when the point was simply “since there is no proof of god and nothing about god that has anything to do with me, then who cares and what’s the point?”

-If we judge things as “bad” then last time I checked that actually DOES make them BAD.

-“Without pain and suffering people cannot learn”? What is he talking about? Of course they can. What nonsense is that?

-Pain and suffering are part of the human experience, but a truly good person can have no experience with suffering or being religious and still grow up an amazingly descent person.

-“It takes a wise mind to realize the good behind bad things”? Seriously? How is it good when priests molest children? How is it good when suffering and torture exist of innocent people? If Sacerdotus is so wise as he tries to let on, then ask him how someone is benefitted by being tortured to death?
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14) I then asked….

“What kind of god would allow human sacrifices, or insufferable punishment by the BILLIONS unnecessarily? Unless the concept is untrue, or god is evil?”
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Sacerdotus replies….

“Human sacrifices are the ideas of ancient peoples who thought the best gift to God was a human being. This is not the fault of God.”
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In response to Sacerdotus’ reply which completely did not answer the question and was just another example of deflection and avoidance….

-Sacerdotus is saying that it is okay for a god to allow millions of innocent people to be painfully murdered for no reason. This shows Sacerdotus is insanely brainwashed and biased and unable to find any fault in his delusional belief.

-So Sacerdotus is basically saying “all good things are god’s doing and all bad things are people’s fault”.

-Since Sacerdotus thinks god is omnipotent, then logically god could stop suffering and premature death and misfortunes of good and decent people. God does not. So not only is there no proof of god, but there is proof that IF god did exist, then it is an unworthy god to worship and most likely a psychopath.

-The question was “what kind of god would allow human sacrifices, or insufferable punishment by the BILLIONS unnecessarily? Unless untrue?” So why did Sacerdotus not answer the question? What kind of god would do that?

-Epicurus made the quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Sacerdotus did not indicate which one of Epicurus examples god is. It would seem that none of them are good.

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